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[Shackeng]

In partnership with German firm "Behr" who have over 100 years manufacturing exp. of vehicle rads. Should be OK Chris

Thanks Rob, you will no doubt have noted the business about an integral cooler above. It seems like all the cheaper ones are made like this, as they supposedly will fit OK, BUT, I very much doubt they will have the mounting threads for the separate ATF cooler, AND you are left with a smaller rad.

[05omegav6]

My pattern radiator has a built in atf cooler. No noticeable loss of performance inspite of a fubared thermostat

[Shackeng]

My pattern radiator has a built in atf cooler. No noticeable loss of performance inspite of a fubared thermostat

Did it have mounting threads to take your own ATF cooler, or did you connect to the integral one?

[05omegav6]

None of the above

'Smanual

[Shackeng]

None of the above

'Smanual

Ouch

[Shackeng]

I've picked up the Hella Radiator, and despite their assurances, it does have an integral ATF cooler. However, this only appears to be a small brass tube running vertically in the centre of the RH plastic section of the rad, with inlet and outlet bosses drilled into the plastic. Otherwise it will fit the car OK and my separate ATF rad will bolt to the front OK.

If this is all that the integral ATF cooler consists of, that is, unless it has capillaries integrated with the main rad that I can't see, firstly, as Al indicates above, I cannot think that it will affect the cooling properties of the rad. But secondly, while I have no need to do so anyway, I would not fancy using such a cooling device for my ATF, as any overheating of the main coolant would transfer immediately to the ATF. Indeed, the ATF would be always running at Rad temp.

[Kevin Wood]

The ATF cooler is in the "cool" side of the rad. so the water in there should not be that hot unless the engine is under a lot of load or in traffic. I'm not sure ATF temperature is that critical, to be honest. The cooler is just there to stop it getting so hot that the fluid starts to break down, and I'm guessing that little pipe did the job, or not as the case may be, seeing as they later went to a "proper" cooler in front of the rad.! 

I would imagine aftermarket parts manufacturers find it easier to make a single radiator that fits both applications rather than maintain another part on their inventories and save a few pence by deleting the cooler.

[Shackeng]

The ATF cooler is in the "cool" side of the rad. so the water in there should not be that hot unless the engine is under a lot of load or in traffic. I'm not sure ATF temperature is that critical, to be honest. The cooler is just there to stop it getting so hot that the fluid starts to break down, and I'm guessing that little pipe did the job, or not as the case may be, seeing as they later went to a "proper" cooler in front of the rad.! 

I would imagine aftermarket parts manufacturers find it easier to make a single radiator that fits both applications rather than maintain another part on their inventories and save a few pence by deleting the cooler.

You have it spot on Kevin, I've just checked the TD, and it uses exactly this type of ATF cooler in the Rad, so clearly my doom & gloom above was unjustified. I also had an interesting chat wth Gerald at Car Cool, who is very helpful incidentally, who has broken these down, and the brass 'tube' is a double tube with spirals to assist swirling of the ATF. As I've never had a problem with the TD cooling, I am going to fit this one to the 3.2 as it is £100 less than the VX one.

[TheBoy]

Yup, integral coolers are minimal, just in the cool side of rad.

I'd have no concerns

[Shackeng]

As anyone who has replaced one of these will know, they are a 'snug' fit. My Hella rad would not easily drop in as the mounting clips attaching the ATF cooler were fouling something. I removed it and measured it at its widest point, and it was 1.5mm wider than the GM one removed. Sadly it was fouling the pipe from the  bottom of the power steering pump that runs across the N/S of the rad then across the front of the condenser, and this now has a nasty looking gouge in it, so I will change that before putting the rad back in, which I have now reduced in width slightly.

Does anyone know where that pipe is going to along the front? Seems an odd route to the pump. It has a jubilee clipped attachment at each end so should swap out OK with the bumper off.

[05omegav6]

Isn't that the power steering fluid cooler

[albitz]

I had a quick look and think it may go to the steering box,but Im not certain.Too many things in the way at the moment.Will try to delve a bit deeper in the morning.

[05omegav6]

You could well be right Albs

I might have gotten confuddled with the Granada arrangement 

[albitz]

Don't think the Omega has a PAS cooler,but I could be wrong.Ive pulled enough of them apart to know these things,but then theres the Albsiemers.......

[05omegav6]

Had the bumper off mine tother week, and I couldn't tell you what's behind it