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[cem_devecioglu]

Honestly speaking -except some original cases- foreigners live under the stress of prooving themselves which  causes really good work  

I have seen here many examples also..

[Markie]

I think what your seeing is your "traditional UK nationals" getting sick and tired, as well as exasperated, by some of the things that go on in this country James.

The overly PC attitude, the constant shafting we get from our Government and the preferrential treatment some groups get over others.

And that i can well understand...

As said, I agree the government are getting some things wrong - that's not under dispute.

I just think that as a result, the British Nationals should not take that out directly on people from other origins - as it's not specifically their fault what the government decide?

True. No dispute there.

Human Nature though will lash out at the beneficiaries rather than the decision maker.

But i do believe all Political Parties are "out of touch" with the general electorate - and that some of the views echoed above are pretty indicitive of the country.

Remember the recent thread on here with the poll asking who members would vote for in an election...and the BNP coming second  

If any party could promise ( and prove it in advance) that they would sort out Education, law & order and Immigration they would win an election easily.

[JamesV6CDX]

Referring back to the initial post, I do agree with the fuel price bit.

I agree it will never be really cheap again, but it's also out of control!

[Jimbob]

We are overrun by Poles here, some of whom use there nationality as an excuse for their behavior  

Liek the bus driver who DELIBERATLEY grazed his bus down the side of my old car, and when confronted claimed not to speak English, I ask you!

I am not tarring them all with the same brush, but when in Rome....
I am not racist, I despise all arseholes equally!

[Growler]

Once the £1 per litre barrier was broken there was no going back, I notice that the French fishermans stirke was over the price of Diesel so it's not just the UK who are feeling the pinch. Even the US the prices have risen hugely,

[Debs.]

.....I'm not at all happy about these statements - especially the "Johnny Foreigner" one.

While I agree there are areas the Government could do things differently, I think speaking in a derogitory fashion towards people of a different background isn't the way to tackle it.

As a "Johnny bloody foreigner" living in North Wales; I`m well-used to seeing and receiving (daily) racism: the Welsh speakers patently hate the English "typical-townies" and seem to make efforts to keep it that way!.....The English incomers seem to intensely dislike the native Welsh and propagate insularity and the idea of the sullen/dirty Welsh "bumpkin".

In a general British context:
These xenophobic feelings are age old and deeply felt issues James; they matter to people and in some ways define our view of ourselves and our Nation....whilst not fitting in to the spirit of the current 'P.C generation', people do see (and feel) change for the worse in their own situation and native land and see how mass-immigration has changed their-own lives.....surely that is a valid view and a personal expression of how they feel and as such they should be allowed to say so.
....a view, balanced (of course) by your-own thoughtful and considered vews/post.

[LJay]

The foreigners that i referred to in my post pushed to the front of said queue, claimed not to speak english or to understand our queuing system. the stewards employed by the taxi company proceeded to shove them in the next available taxi! FAIR? I think not. would be interesting to see how far i would get with similar tactics!

Im not rascist, but i am fed up with being treated as second class in my own country!

Sorry James if this upsets you, but i speak as i find.

[JamesV6CDX]

The foreigners that i referred to in my post pushed to the front of said queue, claimed not to speak english or to understand our queuing system.

See, these facts were not apparant in the original post - one can only respond based on the facts given at the time...

Still worth noting that UK nationals can be equally as rude - in my experience this behaviour is not limited to foreigners people of different origins...  

[JamesV6CDX]

surely that is a valid view and a personal expression of how they feel and as such they should be allowed to say so.

Absoultely - maybe only it is acceptable when said a more tactful and sensitive and non derogitory way than the Original post, though?

[Omegaani]

the country is full of johnny foreigners

A rather sweeping, somewhat racist, statement?

Given that racist statements are actually illegal, people should be careful accusing people of making them.

Saying “johnny foreigners” is not racist, even in the context of complaining about the country being full of them.

…in my experience this behaviour is not limited to foreigners people of different origins...  

If the word “foreigners” has to be stamped out and replaced by multi-culti nuspeak like “people of different origins”, then freedom of speech is in trouble.

[markrl]

Immigration is now a subject in the UK where most people are now too afraid to talk about for fear of being shouted down as racist or immediately branded a member of the BNP. Politicians will run a mile rather then talk about it. I think that most reasonable members of the public would be shocked if they knew the full extent to which the UK has now completely lost control of its borders. I am speaking here about non EU Immigration and Asylum which the UK Government still notionally is supposed to control. The problem has is now simply become to big to fix and is storing up some really dreadful future problems. Quite how the UK (an island surrounded by water) ended up in this mess no one in Government will explain but Germany a country with 9 borders has a problem on no where near our scale. The UK Government is now too timid to enforce many of its own immigration laws and even lacks the will to deport people known to be conspiring to commit acts of terrorism against its own citizens. The people in the Security Services and Anti Terrorist branch are in utter despair. The UK will pay a horrible price for the cowardice and rank politically correct stupidity of NuLabour and its predecessor the Major Government. The worlds biggest DNA database, 23% of the worlds CCTV camera's and a national ID card scheme wont save us from the mess they've created and what we’ve got coming.      

[JamesV6CDX]

Given that racist statements are actually illegal, people should be careful accusing people of making them.

Surely, unless a complaint is made regarding a specific instance, it's a matter of perception?

[FRE07962128]

the country is full of johnny foreigners

A rather sweeping, somewhat racist, statement?

I agree with your rant! Saturday night I spent over an hour in a taxi queue full of foreigners

What's the relevence? Aren't foreign people allowed to catch a taxi?


I know lots of decent hard working people of different ethnic or racial origin, I don't see
the problem with them being in the country or why they should be targeted by these comments?


I'm not at all happy about these statements - especially the "Johnny Foreigner" one.

While I agree there are areas the Government could do things differently, I think speaking in a derogitory fashion towards people of a different background isn't the way to tackle it.

Although Phil was just expressing a rant over everything that is frustrating the people of this country, and I believed his comment about foreigners was aimed at just the illegal variety, I do agree with you James that foreigners ARE NOT bad for this country.  Quite the opposite indeed, with the success of our great country based on its citizens who are, with few exceptions, descendants of centuries worth of immigrants!  In addition there are individuals like me, born in Malta, but with English parents and lived and worked in England for the majority of my life.  Where do I fit in with the sweeping statement made?  Am I, like all such children born abroad from militarily marriages, and others, included in this "foreigners" statement?

The later comments about "Johnny Foriegner" were at least very unfortunate and ill advised, and certainly racist.  Whatever was actually meant by these statements it was very wrong and should stop now.  I often joke about having a revolution in this country, but we must never go down the route the Germans did between 1933 and 1945, which included rising hatred against the Jews  (my family is also of Jewish background).

Everyone legally in this country must be treated fairly as equals within our democratic and legal system.

[FRE07962128]

I thoroughly agree James and the subsequent comments have made me quite sick!

Please could everyone remember this site has a world wide spread, and I dread to think what those "foreigner" must be making of all this!

Please stop this racist comment now before it becomes totally OTT and illegal.  I repeat we must never go down the Nazis Germany route!

They came for the foreigners,
and I did not stop them.

They came for the Jews,
and I did not stop them.

They came for the Trade Unionists,
and I did not stop them.

They came for me,
 and there was no one left to stop them.

Remember, 54 million people died due to this ignorance.

May we never forget!

[CaptainZok]

I thoroughly agree James and the subsequent comments have made me quite sick!

Please could everyone remember this site has a world wide spread, and I dread to think what those "foreigner" must be making of all this!

Please stop this racist comment now before it becomes totally OTT and illegal.  I repeat we must never go down the Nazis Germany route!

They came for the foreigners,
and I did not stop them.

They came for the Jews,
and I did not stop them.

They came for the Trade Unionists,
and I did not stop them.

They came for me,
 and there was no one left to stop them.

Remember, 54 million people died due to this ignorance.

May we never forget!

Good point, well made Lizzie.
Trouble is when the public start to complain about the influx of migrant labour the radicals have a stage to propose their draconian policies and get support from the working man who thinks that if we sent back all those people the country would suddenly take an upturn and he would be in a job paying top money again.
The BNP are basically the friendly face of Nazism no matter how reasonable they sound, their core values are akin to those of Hitler and Mosley and they need to be treated as such not as a viable alternative to democratic government.
Rant over.