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Re: Another Malaysian Plane comes down
« Reply #60 on: 19 July 2014, 02:40:31 »

I just watched a YouTube video of what looked like dash cam footage from a passing truck. The plane was in full view right in front of it coming down, and.. Well... I'm going to have nightmares tonight after watching it  :-\
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Re: Another Malaysian Plane comes down
« Reply #62 on: 19 July 2014, 11:07:03 »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BbyZYgSXdyw

In the end bastwards trying to justify their evil actions! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

This is ugly war. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Another Malaysian Plane comes down
« Reply #63 on: 19 July 2014, 14:38:06 »

I just watched a YouTube video of what looked like dash cam footage from a passing truck. The plane was in full view right in front of it coming down, and.. Well... I'm going to have nightmares tonight after watching it  :-\
You can sleep easy :y

That is historical footage of a freighter crashing on takeoff from Kabul iirc when its load shifted... key points:

1. Boeing 777 only has 2 engines, not 4.
2. B777 is a completely different shape, longer with more slender wings.
3. Malaysian Airlines livery is bright red and blue on a white background, not military grey ::)

Don't believe everything you see on tinterweb :y
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Re: Another Malaysian Plane comes down
« Reply #64 on: 19 July 2014, 15:29:22 »

Who is going to stop him?

Obummer is a pacifist, has no interest in foreign affairs (a major foreign policy update has been sitting in his in-tray for 3 years waiting to be signed off!) and he is dangerously clueless when it comes to everything international diplomacy. He has started all of his speeches on Ukraine, by telling the enemy what he isn't going to do. This is the equivalent of telling your opponent in poker what your cards are. Idiots like this appease until all other options are untenable so it leads to war, when a much earlier robust response would have avoided it. I'm now convinced that him and Putin will start WWIII between them, probably over the Baltic's. MH-17 shows that when you start a war, you are only partially in control of events which is why they so often escalate out of control. The assassination of two people led to the death of millions in WWI.

In each of his speeches on Ukraine his first sentence has ruled out supplying any lethal military aid to Ukraine. Anybody with a smattering of strategic brain cells knows that you keep the enemy guessing and make him expend time and effort on trying to work out your intentions. A much more robust response over MH 17 would have been, unless Russia backs off supplying heavy equipment to the Russian terrorists, which is killing our innocent civilians, we will not supply troops, but we will supply the Ukrainian Government with whatever military aid they request to match and defeat the terrorists. By this I mean anything short of Nuclear weapons: Drones, cruise missiles, F15's, F16's, Apache helicopters, Abrams tanks they will all be on the table. Putin would then have known he was in a no win situation where the airline tragedy actually gave him a credible bug out scenario, but Putin's buoyed by the west's pathetic response, he has been left with a free hand to carry on destroying Ukraine, while the west does nothing. Putin has now closed his bug-out with domestic reputation intact window of opportunity. :( :( :( :(

A Russian military strategist in Latvia has already worked out that they only need to put about 500 little green men into Latvia and he will be on his way to having his bridge to Kalingrad and will have destroyed NATO as a credible European defence force in the process. The EU and the US would call it an internal problem, with NATO currently having no forces to deal with such a situation or currently have the training courses to train the Baltic counties local security police and special forces to deal with it either. :o :o :o :o

http://www.interpretermag.com/500-donetsk-type-militants-could-end-latvias-existence-as-unified-state-moscow-expert-says/

Now lets look at what the European leaders will do:

Merkel in all of her political career as chancellor has always backed away from policy commitments in the light of opposition, to the point of abandoning the policy. I'm sure with a nudge, nudge, wink, wink from Putin: You give me a free hand in Ukraine and I will see you all right on your gas at the right price and your sale of VW's, BMW's and Merc. will always be welcome in Moscow, she would agree to this unofficial back door deal.

Cameron will do whatever his focus groups tell him will make him and his party the most polular for re-election next May.The man has no personal principals that I have ever seen. His guide to policies and spin are what today's focus group' results tell him will make him most popular.

France will not want to do anything which interferes with their nice little earner of rearming Russia with western standard weapons for use against us. >:( >:( >:( >:(

All other EU countries either have too many economic problems due to the Euro, insufficient political clout or both.

EU foreign commission lady ashton (no capitals I'm afraid she isn't worth the effort of pressing the shift key) has been an frightful embarrassment even by EU standards and as a life long pacifist and ex-cnd secretary, no more needs to be said. :(
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Re: Another Malaysian Plane comes down
« Reply #65 on: 19 July 2014, 15:37:51 »

Cant help wondering how the last 24 hours would have panned out if the plane was full of American Citizens ?
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Re: Another Malaysian Plane comes down
« Reply #66 on: 19 July 2014, 15:46:08 »

Cant help wondering how the last 24 hours would have panned out if the plane was full of American Citizens ?

Over the last couple of days the media has listed the nationalities and numbers of dead from each country, but there has been a vague number of people from 'other countries'  ::)

Surely they can tell at a glance at the passenger manifest exactly how many people were on board and what their nationality was?  ::)

Unless no one wants to admit there were American citizens on board?  ::)  :-\
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Re: Another Malaysian Plane comes down
« Reply #67 on: 19 July 2014, 16:00:58 »

Who is going to stop him?

Obummer is a pacifist, has no interest in foreign affairs (a major foreign policy update has been sitting in his in-tray for 3 years waiting to be signed off!) and he is dangerously clueless when it comes to everything international diplomacy. He has started all of his speeches on Ukraine, by telling the enemy what he isn't going to do. This is the equivalent of telling your opponent in poker what your cards are. Idiots like this appease until all other options are untenable so it leads to war, when a much earlier robust response would have avoided it. I'm now convinced that him and Putin will start WWIII between them, probably over the Baltic's. MH-17 shows that when you start a war, you are only partially in control of events which is why they so often escalate out of control. The assassination of two people led to the death of millions in WWI.

In each of his speeches on Ukraine his first sentence has ruled out supplying any lethal military aid to Ukraine. Anybody with a smattering of strategic brain cells knows that you keep the enemy guessing and make him expend time and effort on trying to work out your intentions. A much more robust response over MH 17 would have been, unless Russia backs off supplying heavy equipment to the Russian terrorists, which is killing our innocent civilians, we will not supply troops, but we will supply the Ukrainian Government with whatever military aid they request to match and defeat the terrorists. By this I mean anything short of Nuclear weapons: Drones, cruise missiles, F15's, F16's, Apache helicopters, Abrams tanks they will all be on the table. Putin would then have known he was in a no win situation where the airline tragedy actually gave him a credible bug out scenario, but Putin's buoyed by the west's pathetic response, he has been left with a free hand to carry on destroying Ukraine, while the west does nothing. Putin has now closed his bug-out with domestic reputation intact window of opportunity. :( :( :( :(

A Russian military strategist in Latvia has already worked out that they only need to put about 500 little green men into Latvia and he will be on his way to having his bridge to Kalingrad and will have destroyed NATO as a credible European defence force in the process. The EU and the US would call it an internal problem, with NATO currently having no forces to deal with such a situation or currently have the training courses to train the Baltic counties local security police and special forces to deal with it either. :o :o :o :o

http://www.interpretermag.com/500-donetsk-type-militants-could-end-latvias-existence-as-unified-state-moscow-expert-says/

Now lets look at what the European leaders will do:

Merkel in all of her political career as chancellor has always backed away from policy commitments in the light of opposition, to the point of abandoning the policy. I'm sure with a nudge, nudge, wink, wink from Putin: You give me a free hand in Ukraine and I will see you all right on your gas at the right price and your sale of VW's, BMW's and Merc. will always be welcome in Moscow, she would agree to this unofficial back door deal.

Cameron will do whatever his focus groups tell him will make him and his party the most polular for re-election next May.The man has no personal principals that I have ever seen. His guide to policies and spin are what today's focus group' results tell him will make him most popular.

France will not want to do anything which interferes with their nice little earner of rearming Russia with western standard weapons for use against us. >:( >:( >:( >:(

All other EU countries either have too many economic problems due to the Euro, insufficient political clout or both.

EU foreign commission lady ashton (no capitals I'm afraid she isn't worth the effort of pressing the shift key) has been an frightful embarrassment even by EU standards and as a life long pacifist and ex-cnd secretary, no more needs to be said. :(
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Re: Another Malaysian Plane comes down
« Reply #68 on: 19 July 2014, 16:09:59 »

I just watched a YouTube video of what looked like dash cam footage from a passing truck. The plane was in full view right in front of it coming down, and.. Well... I'm going to have nightmares tonight after watching it  :-\
You can sleep easy :y

That is historical footage of a freighter crashing on takeoff from Kabul iirc when its load shifted... key points:

1. Boeing 777 only has 2 engines, not 4.
2. B777 is a completely different shape, longer with more slender wings.
3. Malaysian Airlines livery is bright red and blue on a white background, not military grey ::)

Don't believe everything you see on tinterweb :y

What can I say I don't know my planes... Couldn't identify a Boeing from a tiger moth! (Had to search for another plane name) either way though, that video I watched showed me a big plane, hitting the floor and blowing up  :o
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Re: Another Malaysian Plane comes down
« Reply #69 on: 19 July 2014, 16:11:55 »

If we do nothing , then we are saying it is alright to shoot down civilian planes. How many more would be acceptable. 5? 10? before anyone does anything.

I can't see why the black box recorders are important. It isn't as though when they rewind it is going to say "look out , incoming buk SAM missile"
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Re: Another Malaysian Plane comes down
« Reply #70 on: 19 July 2014, 16:15:29 »

Is there a connection between this one and the one that "went missing" a few months ago? Did they ever find it? Wasn't that the same airline?
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Re: Another Malaysian Plane comes down
« Reply #71 on: 19 July 2014, 16:17:02 »

If we do nothing , then we are saying it is alright to shoot down civilian planes. How many more would be acceptable. 5? 10? before anyone does anything.

I can't see why the black box recorders are important. It isn't as though when they rewind it is going to say "look out , incoming buk SAM missile"
No your right, but it does help to rule out anything else, ie lack of Pilots talking to each other about another issue.
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Re: Another Malaysian Plane comes down
« Reply #72 on: 19 July 2014, 16:20:51 »

This sums up the scum that are terrorising East Ukraine. After killing 295 people: They have fired shots to stop the agreed OSCE observers access to the site and have taken away 38 bodies to an unknown destination. They have asked Russia for help in removing the rest of the bodies. No doubt so they can be sanitised of missile shrapnel before being released. >:( >:( >:( >:(

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-152-separatists-block-access-to-mh17-crash-site/
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Re: Another Malaysian Plane comes down
« Reply #73 on: 19 July 2014, 16:22:02 »

Is there a connection between this one and the one that "went missing" a few months ago? Did they ever find it? Wasn't that the same airline?
It would appear there is no connection (although the Russian RT Channel where on that one yesterday big time), they never found it and yes its the same carrier.

And they say things come in three's  :(
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Re: Another Malaysian Plane comes down
« Reply #74 on: 19 July 2014, 16:41:45 »

If we do nothing , then we are saying it is alright to shoot down civilian planes. How many more would be acceptable. 5? 10? before anyone does anything.

I can't see why the black box recorders are important. It isn't as though when they rewind it is going to say "look out , incoming buk SAM missile"
No your right, but it does help to rule out anything else, ie lack of Pilots talking to each other about another issue.
Yes, actually quite important... if 777s start falling out of the sky for no apparent reason then everyone needs to know why :-\

The two main focuses in this case are why the aircraft was routed over Ukraine in the first place, and whether eastern European airspace needs reconsidering...

Perhaps the Qatari super hub isn't such a white elephant afterall ::)
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