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[X30XE]

lets us comment  about a crowded road mathematically,


 - the road has a certain fix width


 - the cars passing in all directions has also a fix width (although changing with bigger vehicles) which covers most of the road leaving momentary narrow gaps


- the road has an avg traffic flow rate


if you are moving faster than that avg traffic speed, you have to use those narrow gaps which opens and closes unless you fly .. and thats even without a junction complexity on a straight road.. and sometimes some random pedestrians or animals run to the road which even disables the traffic flow..


thats not fate..  there is a high probability that any vehicle,pedestrian, object can close your passage and cause a fatal accident.. and if you ignore this probabilty now you are in the hands of fate..


and if you think speed is not the main factor  causing death watch the complete video in youtube and count the seconds he flied on the air before he drops on the ground.. and also lets ask what would happen if he reached that junction with more speed I bet none of the drivers here would have time to see him becaue the road is covered with trees in both sides cutting the visibility and also it was a cloudy day..  he had no chance imo

 Exactly.  As the prosecution said of the police officer who crashed at 90mph in a 30 zone : "you had surrendered to the laws of physics"

Once again cem you choose to miss the point. The driver didn't see him. Anything approaching at ANY speed could have been involved. Speed has nothing to do with THIS instance or the CAUSE of the accident.

  A take home message that only a biker could conclude.... "Travelling at 37mph (ie over 50%) OVER the speed limit,

a. through a junction
b. (having observed a car about to turn right... or not... cos I was going to fast officer...)

was not a contributing factor in this accident". 

Unreal.

[Jusme]

When I learned to drive (yes, a very long time ago) I was taught, and I still believe now, that you should drive at a speed that enables you to stop in the event of an emergency or the unexpected. The driver of the car, rightly or wrongly, pulled out. The bike rider should have been at a speed that enabled him to stop or take evasive action. No way was that possible.

Too much emphasis these days is on "who was in the right and who was in the wrong", rather than "what would have prevent this ?"  'Spot on' Rog. All that needs to be said...

[Sir Tigger KC]

Once again cem you choose to miss the point. The driver didn't see him. Anything approaching at ANY speed could have been involved. Speed has nothing to do with THIS instance or the CAUSE of the accident.

Had the biker been doing 40mph through the junction and the car pulled out in front of him he might have survived. 

[Vicar]

A friend mine died in a similar way sadly.  The car didn't see him, pulled out of side road. To me it is one of those where blame can be apportioned equally. This video is there to highlight it to all users,  bike or car. If it saves one more life from this being shown then all is well.

[Sir Tigger KC]

If I ever get another bike, I think I'd get a helmet cam or camera of some sort.  I had an accident in 2009 where I was turning right on a roundabout and a car coming the other direction didn't stop.  I hit the brakes, the car swerved but I went into the side of the car. 

Another biker gave me his details and said he'd be my witness.  The woman driving said to the insurance that she was already on the roundabout and I appeared out of nowhere and slammed into her side.  Her insurance company took her version as the truth and declined to pay out.  The phone number that the witness gave me was wrong, so I had to turn detective and track him down.  Once I got his witness statement and presented it to the insurance company via a solicitor they backed down and paid out.  Eventually! 

I think if I had footage that showed my clear exit off of the roundabout and then suddenly a car appears, the process would have been a lot easier.    In fact I've been thinking about one for the car as the amount of people you see driving and fiddling with mobiles is scary!   

[05omegav6]

On autobahns lorries are restricted to lane 1 and 90 kmh.

If the biker had survived he would have been prosecuted for dangerous driving, the car driver would probablyhave had no charge to answer.

iirc the single carriageway sections of the A47 in Norfolk are 50mph, except the stretch between Acle and Yarmouth which is two long straight sections joined by a 40mph blind bend.

The manner of his riding prior to the accident was ignored by the look of it. If he hadn't have died that day, then I doubt he would have made forty tbh  

Just my tuppence worth and you can keep the change...

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I would say that the biker was riding quickly yet 'reasonably' responsibly. Yes, he could have been riding slower, but if some idiot slings 1200kg of car in front of you then there will be tears before bedtime regardless of how fast the biker was going.

Who was to blame?

70% the car driver......30% the biker. Cyclists, as Mr Guffers video shows, have the same problem of cars turning right in front of them.

[cem_devecioglu]

Once again cem you choose to miss the point. The driver didn't see him. Anything approaching at ANY speed could have been involved. Speed has nothing to do with THIS instance or the CAUSE of the accident.

if you walk with slow steps I can see you.. 


so at any speed claim is fatally wrong   and I hope you dont continue this mistake Chris.. may cost you a life..


just a simple example.. sometimes our cats ran through garden and I cant be sure I see a big rat or cat.. but definitely I cant distinguish which cat it was... and compare their speeds with a bike..

[Sir Tigger KC]

I would say that the biker was riding quickly yet 'reasonably' responsibly. Yes, he could have been riding slower, but if some idiot slings 1200kg of car in front of you then there will be tears before bedtime regardless of how fast the biker was going.

Who was to blame?

70% the car driver......30% the biker. Cyclists, as Mr Guffers video shows, have the same problem of cars turning right in front of them.

Although Bicyclists are less likely to die if a car pulls out in front, than a Motorcyclist doing say 90mph..... 

[ronnyd]

I suppose if the biker had kept on or near to the speed limits he wouldn,t have been anywhere near the junction
at that time anyway. A horrible thing for his family and friends to endure, RIP.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I would say that the biker was riding quickly yet 'reasonably' responsibly. Yes, he could have been riding slower, but if some idiot slings 1200kg of car in front of you then there will be tears before bedtime regardless of how fast the biker was going.

Who was to blame?

70% the car driver......30% the biker. Cyclists, as Mr Guffers video shows, have the same problem of cars turning right in front of them.

Although Bicyclists are less likely to die if a car pulls out in front, than a Motorcyclist doing say 90mph..... 

True, Sir Tig. The principle remains the same though.

[Gaffers]

I would say that the biker was riding quickly yet 'reasonably' responsibly. Yes, he could have been riding slower, but if some idiot slings 1200kg of car in front of you then there will be tears before bedtime regardless of how fast the biker was going.

Who was to blame?

70% the car driver......30% the biker. Cyclists, as Mr Guffers video shows, have the same problem of cars turning right in front of them.

Although Bicyclists are less likely to die if a car pulls out in front, than a Motorcyclist doing say 90mph..... 

Still happens though, a lot more than you think and not just from people turning right in front of you.  Many get crushed by vehicles which don't even see them on the road ahead.  And judging by the space left to me by some motorists on my ride today, it is only a matter of time before I am knocked off by a motorist by is too lazy/ignorant/stupid/cocky/impatient* to give me more than a few inches when they pass.

*delete as appropriate (unless all apply)

[Sir Tigger KC]

I would say that the biker was riding quickly yet 'reasonably' responsibly. Yes, he could have been riding slower, but if some idiot slings 1200kg of car in front of you then there will be tears before bedtime regardless of how fast the biker was going.

Who was to blame?

70% the car driver......30% the biker. Cyclists, as Mr Guffers video shows, have the same problem of cars turning right in front of them.

Although Bicyclists are less likely to die if a car pulls out in front, than a Motorcyclist doing say 90mph..... 

Still happens though, a lot more than you think and not just from people turning right in front of you.  Many get crushed by vehicles which don't even see them on the road ahead.  And judging by the space left to me by some motorists on my ride today, it is only a matter of time before I am knocked off by a motorist by is too lazy/ignorant/stupid/cocky/impatient* to give me more than a few inches when they pass.

*delete as appropriate (unless all apply)

Yep Bicyclists die all the time on our roads. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I would say that the biker was riding quickly yet 'reasonably' responsibly. Yes, he could have been riding slower, but if some idiot slings 1200kg of car in front of you then there will be tears before bedtime regardless of how fast the biker was going.

Who was to blame?

70% the car driver......30% the biker. Cyclists, as Mr Guffers video shows, have the same problem of cars turning right in front of them.

Although Bicyclists are less likely to die if a car pulls out in front, than a Motorcyclist doing say 90mph..... 

Still happens though, a lot more than you think and not just from people turning right in front of you.  Many get crushed by vehicles which don't even see them on the road ahead.  And judging by the space left to me by some motorists on my ride today, it is only a matter of time before I am knocked off by a motorist by is too lazy/ignorant/stupid/cocky/impatient* to give me more than a few inches when they pass.

*delete as appropriate (unless all apply)

Yep Bicyclists die all the time on our roads.

I feel far safer on a  superbike  than a pushbike......that's for sure.

[Stuart30]

Hardly the Car drivers fault...partialy to blame yes,but certainly not there fault.

Regards the speed if he was traveling with in speed limit...id say a prang would be likely but who"s to say at 60mph how different his reactions would have been,could he have avoided it.

Sure it was the  GPZ600 that had the advert 60mph to 0mph in under 3 seconds,then the tarmac rippled where they stopped so quick.

High sped collisions can be survived....friend was redlining his KR1-S (flat out) his pillion landed so hard his lid split (moto style) and ended up in a coma fpr 3 weeks,the rider amazingly walked away with a sore arse,so just luck of the draw.