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[cem_devecioglu]

There are no borders when it comes to Muslims, the term British Muslim is totally nonsensical, their first priority is to Islam and not country,   - correct






that is why so many go to fight and the rest sympathize with them,


thats not correct








why we let them back freakk knows.




Shia fights Sunni it's muslim v muslim still living in the middle ages. 



B52's and carpet bomb the total area these muppets are in, as said few civilians


completely wrong..  those muppets are spread in to a very large area..   there are Turkish, Kurdish, arabic, syrian , millions of civilians how can you make carpet bombing






, then concentrate on the enemy within our own borders.

ok.. some rights and wrongs.. as said dont tar with the same brush.. you may well know that I'm against religion.. but must correct this subject..

[cleggy]

So you didn't call me a " small minded bigot" 

No, I did. And I still think that.

And that's as an individual. Not an admin.

You have historically repeatedly commented upon numerous posts which have identified you as a bigot and by repeatedly commenting on same have confirmed you as restricted in your viewpoint I.e. Small minded and thus I see my comment proved by your own actions and comments, thus small minded bigot.


 


 

Is that an opinion, or a personal insult.

[hotel21]

So you didn't call me a " small minded bigot" 

No, I did. And I still think that.

And that's as an individual. Not an admin.

You have historically repeatedly commented upon numerous posts which have identified you as a bigot and by repeatedly commenting on same have confirmed you as restricted in your viewpoint I.e. Small minded and thus I see my comment proved by your own actions and comments, thus small minded bigot.


 


 

Is that an opinion, or a personal insult.

Fact...............

[cleggy]

There are no borders when it comes to Muslims, the term British Muslim is totally nonsensical, their first priority is to Islam and not country,   - correct






that is why so many go to fight and the rest sympathize with them,


thats not correct








why we let them back freakk knows.




Shia fights Sunni it's muslim v muslim still living in the middle ages. 



B52's and carpet bomb the total area these muppets are in, as said few civilians


completely wrong..  those muppets are spread in to a very large area..   there are Turkish, Kurdish, arabic, syrian , millions of civilians how can you make carpet bombing






, then concentrate on the enemy within our own borders.

ok.. some rights and wrongs.. as said dont tar with the same brush.. you may well know that I'm against religion.. but must correct this subject..

Agreed Cem, all points are for discussion that is why I made them for discussion, we all have to learn for others opinions and thoughts, remember some of mine are made to try and encourage a debate as indeed are some of yours.

[cleggy]

So you didn't call me a " small minded bigot" 

No, I did. And I still think that.

And that's as an individual. Not an admin.

You have historically repeatedly commented upon numerous posts which have identified you as a bigot and by repeatedly commenting on same have confirmed you as restricted in your viewpoint I.e. Small see minded and thus I see my comment proved by your own actions and comments, thus small minded bigot.


 


 

Is that an opinion, or a personal insult.

Fact...............

Fact that it is an opinion or personal insult.

[hotel21]

So you didn't call me a " small minded bigot" 

No, I did. And I still think that.

And that's as an individual. Not an admin.

You have historically repeatedly commented upon numerous posts which have identified you as a bigot and by repeatedly commenting on same have confirmed you as restricted in your viewpoint I.e. Small see minded and thus I see my comment proved by your own actions and comments, thus small minded bigot.


 


 

Is that an opinion, or a personal insult.

Fact...............

Fact that it is an opinion or personal insult.

That fact is indeed a fact.

And it's bedtime.

And that's also a fact...... 

Night night....

[cleggy]

So you didn't call me a " small minded bigot" 

No, I did. And I still think that.

And that's as an individual. Not an admin.

You have historically repeatedly commented upon numerous posts which have identified you as a bigot and by repeatedly commenting on same have confirmed you as restricted in your viewpoint I.e. Small see minded and thus I see my comment proved by your own actions and comments, thus small minded bigot.


 


 

Is that an opinion, or a personal insult.

Fact...............

Fact that it is an opinion or personal insult.

That fact is indeed a fact.

And it's bedtime.

And that's also a fact...... 

Night night....

While your there as you said in a PM "sit back on your thumb and pleasure yourself" 
Remember your British not Scotch night night and watch the missiles don't bite.

[hotel21]

To correctly quote me...

I'm not ginger, contrary to your wildly guessing supposition.

I said I would rather sit on my thumb than remove it and vent forth against individuals who are similarly full but lacking in product.


As an addition, I have always been scots first and British second.

Presumably the same as yourself. English first and British second. Or am I wrong? 

[omega3000]

News in usa says first beheading as taken place in the usa  Apparently his fb page was filled with worrying gestures and pictures 

[The Sheriff]

IS have won! They have divided our beloved forum and now they will conquer us. Gulp.....

[tigers_gonads]

IS have won! They have divided our beloved forum and now they will conquer us. Gulp.....

Nah, we'll just Broocie to lift his mini skirt kilt, that should scare the oppsers off 

[chrisgixer]

IS have won! They have divided our beloved forum and now they will conquer us. Gulp.....

No they haven't, it's pretty unanimous I'll bet.


.....Except one obviously

[omega3000]

Bunker Buster's are on route 

[Gaffers]

The world would be a very dull (yet peaceful) place if everyone agreed with everyone else.

The thing that sets the modern world apart is the acceptance of pluralism.  ie you are free to have your own thoughts and beliefs in a world where we allow others to have their own.  That doesn't mean that one forces others to think and believe the same as them, that wreeks of the same small-mindedness that upsets them in the first place.

The irony in somebody, living in a country which allows the freedom of expression and religion, saying that they do not want to allow someone from [enter other religion/race here] doing certain things because they believe them to restrict their own freedom is, frankly, deafening.

And by insulting someone, then saying that by putting smilies afterward neutralises it in to a joke shows a distinct lack of social custom.  Afterall, by that rule I could call someone I hardly know a c*m-guzzling thunderc*nt.  But put smilies after and "it's ok, it's a joke".  In reality there are few friends of mine I would even refer to that as a joke, but I know each friend's boundaries to banter and where to stop.

I have met Broocie in the flesh, he is an utter gent and one of the nicest blokes on here.  To P him off you have to have acted pretty poorly.

Plus, I agree with the sentiment.  This is not a beat up Cleggy moment, but your comments on Muslims are misguided and factually incorrect.  I often stay out of the conversations because I do not want to bang my head against the proverbial wall.  Some of the things you say display a certain level of ignorance on this issue you claim to know so much about.  I do not purport to be an expert on the subject of Islam but I am one of the few on here who has actually lived in a muslim country while growing up and spent time later on in the middle east being shot at.  Remeber this, religion is a method of control used by those in power and war is an extension of politics by other means (not my words just mixing up a bit of Clauswitz with some left-wing propoganda) and when you mix the two the only outcome is a lack of freedom of expression.

Oh, and if you think that Christianity is any better in it's Gospel than Islam have a litle watch of this factual scene from The West Wing from a deeply Christian character

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVL-gA1KpxQ

Again, this is not Cleggy bashing.  But rather I am trying to open your eyes up a little 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

The world would be a very dull (yet peaceful) place if everyone agreed with everyone else.

The thing that sets the modern world apart is the acceptance of pluralism.  ie you are free to have your own thoughts and beliefs in a world where we allow others to have their own.  That doesn't mean that one forces others to think and believe the same as them, that wreeks of the same small-mindedness that upsets them in the first place.

The irony in somebody, living in a country which allows the freedom of expression and religion, saying that they do not want to allow someone from [enter other religion/race here] doing certain things because they believe them to restrict their own freedom is, frankly, deafening.

And by insulting someone, then saying that by putting smilies afterward neutralises it in to a joke shows a distinct lack of social custom.  Afterall, by that rule I could call someone I hardly know a c*m-guzzling thunderc*nt.  But put smilies after and "it's ok, it's a joke".  In reality there are few friends of mine I would even refer to that as a joke, but I know each friend's boundaries to banter and where to stop.

I have met Broocie in the flesh, he is an utter gent and one of the nicest blokes on here.  To P him off you have to have acted pretty poorly.

Plus, I agree with the sentiment.  This is not a beat up Cleggy moment, but your comments on Muslims are misguided and factually incorrect.  I often stay out of the conversations because I do not want to bang my head against the proverbial wall.  Some of the things you say display a certain level of ignorance on this issue you claim to know so much about.  I do not purport to be an expert on the subject of Islam but I am one of the few on here who has actually lived in a muslim country while growing up and spent time later on in the middle east being shot at.  Remeber this, religion is a method of control used by those in power and war is an extension of politics by other means (not my words just mixing up a bit of Clauswitz with some left-wing propoganda) and when you mix the two the only outcome is a lack of freedom of expression.

Oh, and if you think that Christianity is any better in it's Gospel than Islam have a litle watch of this factual scene from The West Wing from a deeply Christian character

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVL-gA1KpxQ

Again, this is not Cleggy bashing.  But rather I am trying to open your eyes up a little 

How I agree with everything you have said Guffer!!!

I have been biting at the bit to come in on this heavy political thread, but said nothing so far as I know where that will end with some.................and me..................!!!

So glad you have put every one of my feelings in words and phrases I support!