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[terry paget]

2000 2.5 PFL petrol manual estate
Following a clutch change I am recommissioning this car. With ignition on I half opened the front windows, then set about resetting radio and CD codes. I then tried to close front windows and nothing happened. I checked fuse 7, OK. I tried opening and closing doors, no change. I switched off, then on, then started engine, no change.

Any ideas?

[Andy A]

Try disconnecting the battery for 30 minutes and then reconnect. Hope it works.

[terry paget]

Thanks for suggestion. Regret it did not work.
This car did a similar thing before. I was repairing the driver's door strap and moved the window with the door open. I tried everything to no avail. Next day it worked and I had no idea why.
The car is unusual in that the rear door windows are fixed up with wood.
There must be a relay somewhere that is causing this. I wonder where it is.

[zirk]

Do the windows close when you hold the key fully left drivers door.

[terry paget]

Do the windows close when you hold the key fully left drivers door.

No.
None of the door windows attempts to work. Normally all worked, even the back door window motors whirred, but I gather are not attached to the windows.

[Shackeng]

Sounds like the mechanism may have failed. Easy enough to swap if so.

[terry paget]

Earlier thread an be found on old page 20, 11 July, 'cannot open or close windows'. Then it seemed to cure itself overnight, rather unsatisfactory. Perhaps oit will do so again. Checked fuse 1, it's OK.

[Andy H]

Sounds like the mechanism may have failed. Easy enough to swap if so.

Bit of a coincidence for both to fail at the same time.

I think the windows are on a timer relay which permits them to operate for a period after the engine is switched off - maybe you have a failing timer relay?

[STEMO]

I don't want to appear pedantic, but are you sure they're not stuck half closed?

[terry paget]

My hunch is a failing relay. All four are dead so it is not likely to be the mechanisms. If in the morning they work. whoopee.

[terry paget]

Browsing Haynes, wiring diagram p.12.49, location 973, S37.5 is described as electric window safety cut out switch and S37.7 as electric window automatic control. They sound like suspects. I do not know where they are, boxed together or separate. Does anybody know?

[terry paget]

Studying Haynes further, it looks like all the S37 bits lurk in S37 Driver's door electric switch assembly.

[terry paget]

Still dead this morning. Bother.
I suppose no other member has suffered similarly, it's clearly a rare failure. One more example of the joy of running 15 year old cars. Modern cars are designed to last 7 years without much trouble, then get scrapped. After 15 years lots of things fail.Car relays are wonerful things, function for years in a robust environment (temperature, vibration) without complaint, but fail eventually.
The car is a PFL 2000 petrol manual CDX. I presume it has the later models wiring, but am not sure because the front switches seem to be boxed with other relays and in the door. Also the S37 (LH) box is labelled driver's door electric window witxh assembly. My car is RHD. Is there a language problem here?

[Sir Tigger KC]

The car is unusual in that the rear door windows are fixed up with wood.

I like the sound of this. 

[05omegav6]

Still dead this morning. Bother.
I suppose no other member has suffered similarly, it's clearly a rare failure. One more example of the joy of running 15 year old cars. Modern cars are designed to last 7 years without much trouble, then get scrapped. After 15 years lots of things fail.Car relays are wonerful things, function for years in a robust environment (temperature, vibration) without complaint, but fail eventually.
The car is a PFL 2000 petrol manual CDX. I presume it has the later models wiring, but am not sure because the front switches seem to be boxed with other relays and in the door. Also the S37 (LH) box is labelled driver's door electric window witxh assembly. My car is RHD. Is there a language problem here?

Some contradictions there...

Wiring diagram, assuming haynes, is LHD but does detail RHD differences. You are correct in working to the 'later' diagrams... facelift cars also broadly follow the later diagrams but with some detailed differences. That said, I have found them accurate enough to work through items although I now have the Vauxhall facelift wiring diagrams, so only tend to use Haynes as a quick reference or for researching queries here...

You say the car is PFL, but on a W plate it will be either Mid face lift, with the grill in the front bumper and window switches on the centre console, or Face lift with the grill on the bonnet and the switches on the drivers door... I know you have, and still do, own several Omegas, so I stress the above to remove any ambiguity rather than trying to be an arse

I cannot help but wonder if your car has been fitted with the wrong door loom, either by virtue of a replacement door or to solve a previous issue

The wood in the rear doors certainly suggests that the previous owner wasn't adverse to improvising