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[dave the builder]

I will repeat AGAIN for the stupid and / or DGAF people ....

Omicron may well be mild BUT WE DON'T KNOW YET ! for sure,
It is highly contagious (R naught of 3.47) compared to the original Wuhan strain  .

The fact that Omicron Mutated by combining with Flu to become more infectious shows how easy it could mutate or combine with something very deadly that we don't have the cure for   

Jabs are not the whole solution yet ,more measures are needed right now ,plan B, plan C ,whatever to keep the Covid in hospitals low enough for the NHS to "scrape by" (but not clear the now 7 million person waiting list )

The more people whinge about wearing a mask, not wanting a jab etc and don't follow the rules or TRY and be safe  , the longer the NHS waiting list will grow ,and the more people will die , be that Omicron Covid ,Delta covid, cancer, that bus that seems to kill so many  or heart problems or whatever .

 

hopefully in the future there will be vaccines that do work very well and keep hospitals clear of Covid patients  and the NHS can start to clear the backlog . that will involve new staff ,which can't be trained overnight ,it takes time ,much better planning etc .

As DG's Leeds Covid death field Idea has not happened  we all have to do what we can to "get by" right now

get jabbed, wear a mask in shops etc , follow the rules (despite Boris and his pals incompetence)

until there is a perminant solution to the situation  .

There are many reasons why people choose not to be jabbed, Dave It has very little to do with being awkward or selfish.

News is also emerging that the vaccine is not as safe as the government would like us to believe.

Have it or don't have it. I've said before I'm quite happy to mix with the unvaccinated.

I have repeatedly said that the current Vaccines alone are not enough 

people who "can't" have the vaccine are probably staying well away from the "can't be  arsed" or  "awkward" or "selfish" or rebellious. 

[Doctor Gollum]

You presume that all the people protesting are unvaccinated 

[dave the builder]

You presume that all the people protesting are unvaccinated 

you presume that I presume that all the people protesting are unvaccinated   

At the end of the day ,people vaccinated or not who slag off the vaccine program, or wearing masks or any other current anti spread measures  ,are just  encouraging people NOT to follow the measures  but don't seem to have the answer to Covid .

if they did ,and it was workable ,the world would be all ears 

[Doctor Gollum]

I am both vaccinated and mask wearing. That doesn't stop me from believing that people have the right to make their own decisions...

[STEMO]

There's a few mutations on this forum 

[STEMO]

Or is that mutants? 

[Doctor Gollum]

Or is that mutants? 

Ask TRE...

Variety is the spice of life and all that

[dave the builder]

I am both vaccinated and mask wearing. That doesn't stop me from believing that people have the right to make their own decisions...

Even if those decisions mean that they are spreading a killer Virus and killing people 

The Chinese made a "decision" to keep schtum about Covid ,until they got found out ,look how that panned out 

 

[Sir Tigger KC]

We don't live in South Africa, the UK is very different.

Yes you are right there Dave. 

Life expectancy in South Africa is much lower than the UK generally, and a significant proportion of the population live in shanty towns in and around the big cities, Cape Town, JoBurg, Pretoria, Durban etc.  They live cheek by jowl in poor quality housing often without running water or proper sanitation.  They eat cheap shitty processed foods. They are more than likely to smoke and drink poor quality alcohol in the shabeens. All this contributes to generally poor health and other diseases like TB are not uncommon.  South Africa has a veneer of a developed first world country, but scratch the surface.....

So believe me, with their low vaccination rates, if Omicon was the killer super mutant virus that the British government and corrupt media would have us believe, we'd certainly know for sure as people would be dropping like flies in South Africa and then maybe I'd sit up take notice of the so called Omicon Emergency.

They're not though.

[dave the builder]

We don't live in South Africa, the UK is very different.

Yes you are right there Dave. 

Life expectancy in South Africa is much lower than the UK generally, and a significant proportion of the population live in shanty towns in and around the big cities, Cape Town, JoBurg, Pretoria, Durban etc.  They live cheek by jowl in poor quality housing often without running water or proper sanitation.  They eat cheap shitty processed foods. They are more than likely to smoke and drink poor quality alcohol in the shabeens. All this contributes to generally poor health and other diseases like TB are not uncommon.  South Africa has a veneer of a developed first world country, but scratch the surface.....

So believe me, with their low vaccination rates, if Omicon was the killer super mutant virus that the British government and corrupt media would have us believe, we'd certainly know for sure as people would be dropping like flies in South Africa and then maybe I'd sit up take notice of the so called Omicon Emergency.

They're not though.

As you are so well versed in Virus information with all your years of research into sars cov 2  , are you saying that Omicron definitely won't mutate to a more lethal Variant 

so we have nothing to worry about then ? no need to exercise any caution ?

perhaps you should pass your findings on to the UK Government 

Maybe Boris will invite you to a few parties 

[Doctor Gollum]

A sprained ankle could mutate into a nasty dose of fatal bus accident 

Grapes mutate into raisins or wine... Whether that's good or bad is a matter of perspective.

[STEMO]

A sprained ankle could mutate into a nasty dose of fatal bus accident 

Grapes mutate into raisins or wine... Whether that's good or bad is a matter of perspective.

In Liverpool, a sprained ankle mutates into a nasty fall over a raised paving stone. 

[dave the builder]

A sprained ankle could mutate into a nasty dose of fatal bus accident 

Grapes mutate into raisins or wine... Whether that's good or bad is a matter of perspective.

In Liverpool, a sprained ankle mutates into a nasty fall over a raised paving stone. 

where there's blame .....
"had a trip or fall " ?

don't  be such a clumsy **** 

[Sir Tigger KC]

We don't live in South Africa, the UK is very different.

Yes you are right there Dave. 

Life expectancy in South Africa is much lower than the UK generally, and a significant proportion of the population live in shanty towns in and around the big cities, Cape Town, JoBurg, Pretoria, Durban etc.  They live cheek by jowl in poor quality housing often without running water or proper sanitation.  They eat cheap shitty processed foods. They are more than likely to smoke and drink poor quality alcohol in the shabeens. All this contributes to generally poor health and other diseases like TB are not uncommon.  South Africa has a veneer of a developed first world country, but scratch the surface.....

So believe me, with their low vaccination rates, if Omicon was the killer super mutant virus that the British government and corrupt media would have us believe, we'd certainly know for sure as people would be dropping like flies in South Africa and then maybe I'd sit up take notice of the so called Omicon Emergency.

They're not though.

As you are so well versed in Virus information with all your years of research into sars cov 2  , are you saying that Omicron definitely won't mutate to a more lethal Variant 

so we have nothing to worry about then ? no need to exercise any caution ?

perhaps you should pass your findings on to the UK Government 

Maybe Boris will invite you to a few parties 

No of course not.  Where did I even imply that? 

It's just that from what I've seen and read so far I don't think Omicon warrants the hysteria that is being stoked up.

Oh and I'm vehemently against the introduction of vaccine passports....

[dave the builder]

We don't live in South Africa, the UK is very different.

Yes you are right there Dave. 

Life expectancy in South Africa is much lower than the UK generally, and a significant proportion of the population live in shanty towns in and around the big cities, Cape Town, JoBurg, Pretoria, Durban etc.  They live cheek by jowl in poor quality housing often without running water or proper sanitation.  They eat cheap shitty processed foods. They are more than likely to smoke and drink poor quality alcohol in the shabeens. All this contributes to generally poor health and other diseases like TB are not uncommon.  South Africa has a veneer of a developed first world country, but scratch the surface.....

So believe me, with their low vaccination rates, if Omicon was the killer super mutant virus that the British government and corrupt media would have us believe, we'd certainly know for sure as people would be dropping like flies in South Africa and then maybe I'd sit up take notice of the so called Omicon Emergency.

They're not though.

As you are so well versed in Virus information with all your years of research into sars cov 2  , are you saying that Omicron definitely won't mutate to a more lethal Variant 

so we have nothing to worry about then ? no need to exercise any caution ?

perhaps you should pass your findings on to the UK Government 

Maybe Boris will invite you to a few parties 

No of course not.  Where did I even imply that? 

It's just that from what I've seen and read so far I don't think Omicon warrants the hysteria that is being stoked up.

Oh and I'm vehemently against the introduction of vaccine passports....

So you aren't a virologist with years of research and knowledge into Sars Cov 2 with all the answers 

then maybe the Governments cautious approach is not as crazy as you think after all 

 Look how far Covid has progressed in 2 years , even the real experts know relatively very little yet .

As for what you have "seen and read so far" ,how much reading and seeing have you done ?

I assume you have not had a relative or friend die of Covid yet ? or can't get hospital treatment because Covid levels are so high and hospitals full to bursting 

"Hysteria" or just the news reporting what is going on 

if Covid can join with Flu to be much better at spreading then what's to say it won't mutate again with something like cancer ,making it more deadly and potentially making cancer transmissible 

such ideas seem madness ,but 2 years ago who'd of thunk the world would be on it's arse with a pandemic 

Covid passport a violation of your civil liberties perhaps ? 

So if an anti-vaxxer,  who couldn't be arsed to get a covid test before going to a concert or after it, then gives you Covid at the supermarket ,possibly making you seriously ill ,struggling to breathe ,organs turning to mush (or dead)  .how violated would you feel then ?

Is it really fair to expect the caring people of the NHS to try and cope with another big wave for crap pay, simply because a few people CBA to follow a few simple rules like wearing a mask ,take a test or whinge about civil liberties 

doing a LFT takes about a minute ,then wait 15 mins for a result while doing something else ,register the results in a few clicks of the mouse .simple

We may not like all these measures BUT there are no quick fixes ,until we know all the answers and have a solution, we have to be cautious