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[Varche]

I am thinking of changing our car for something newer.

I like adaptive cruise control - great for the miles of open motorways here. Not a great fan of all these “ interlocks” like pull up , open the door to lean out and throw a dead fox off the road and the electric handbrake comes on.

Are the gifts that come post July 24 in the form of ADAS and ISA a pain?

[STEMO]

You can save £20,000 a year tax free with an ISA. Not sure about an ADAS 

[Varche]

ISA Intelligent Speed Assist
ADAS  I think is Advanced driving assistant system?

Must be someone on here who has driven a car with this stuff?

[YZ250]

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ADAS  I think is Advanced driving assistant system?

Must be someone on here who has driven a car with this stuff?

Yes, I have some nanny functions, and if I’m honest I don’t like or appreciate the interference from the vehicle.

Lane Discipline Assistant -  Designed to keep you in lane but ONLY WHEN two lines are visible on the road. One centre line and one kerb line, or left and right lines on a dual carriageway or motorway. The problem with this system is that it sometimes (quite often actually) misinterprets a shiny strip of tarmac, such as a tarmac burn repair, and will pull the vehicle to where it thinks it should be. It’s downright dangerous. 

Lane Change Assistant - It does the same as above if you don’t indicate to overtake and this is fine, but it can do it when passing parked cars when you cross a solid white line, which is not fine.

Automatic Braking System / Collision Detection- Designed for those occasions when we miss an upcoming collision, whether it be another car or a pedestrian. The problem with this system is that it sees shadows of larger road signs/ kerbside trees etc as an obstacle that shouldn’t be there, and the system slams on the brakes. Not ideal if you have the car behind sat on your rear bumper.

Don’t get me wrong, it doesn’t happen all of the time but I would always switch mine off as soon as the car was started. 
Adaptive Cruise is good, it keeps a set distance from the vehicle in front, as the vehicle in front will rarely keep to a set speed, unless they’re on cruise as well.    It’s about the only nanny function that I use. This is just my personal experience and may not be representative of how other vehicles react.

I’ve not experienced Intelligent Speed Assistance but I have a feeling that we wouldn’t get on.   

[Sir Tigger KC]

You can save £20,000 a year tax free with an ISA. Not sure about an ADAS 

Until Rach from Complaints next budget. 

[STEMO]

You can save £20,000 a year tax free with an ISA. Not sure about an ADAS 

Until Rach from Complaints next budget. 

Yes, you're probably right. Lord Opti will be mortified.

[Rangie]

Got adaptive cruise control on both of our vehicles I use it SWMBO doesn't, the Toyota has the lane control and various other automated controls all of which are switched on don't have any negative comments about them.

[TheBoy]

I get a lot of hire cars, and all of them have various nanny shite that I have to spend 10 minutes finding how to disable them, and then another couple of minutes every time I start the car disabling the shit.

Some are just annoying - stop-start being one.

Others are downright dangerous, but can usually be disabled - lane assist type technologies.

Others are downright dangerous and cannot be disabled usually - emergency braking type technologies, and it seems VAG group cars seem to be particularly sensitive to imagining it's seen something close and slamming on the anchors.



As to the the various forms of distance adaptive cruise under the various marketing wank names manufacturers give it (I'm guessing MB will call it something like dist-tronic, BMW will call it something like dist-hold, VAG will make up some meaningless acronym), I'm generally against those sort of driver aids.  In fact, I rarely use normal cruise control, though I do use speed limiter type functions through workworks etc being the (failed) reformed character I am.

[YZ250]

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Others are downright dangerous and cannot be disabled usually - emergency braking type technologies, and it seems VAG group cars seem to be particularly sensitive to imagining it's seen something close and slamming on the anchors.
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Tesla are also well documented for issues of ‘Phantom Braking’ as they call it. This again refers to the vehicle sensors seeing shadows and mistaking them for obstacles and slamming on the brakes. 

[Mr Skrunts]

All this tech is maybe good for some people and good once the person learns to trust it and relay.

What happens when it fails and there's no warming?

Once read about a Beemer when the throttle got stuck, couldn't turn off the engine or switch off or alter settings, nothing worked

He called the police who helped clear the motorway the poor guy was bricking it as the car just kept accelerating, not sure how it concluded bu reckon underpants were full.

[Doctor Gollum]

All this tech is maybe good for some people and good once the person learns to trust it and relay.

What happens when it fails and there's no warming?

Once read about a Beemer when the throttle got stuck, couldn't turn off the engine or switch off or alter settings, nothing worked

He called the police who helped clear the motorway the poor guy was bricking it as the car just kept accelerating, not sure how it concluded bu reckon underpants were full.

Was a Jag E.Pace driver. He's since been charged with all sorts of things.

[Doctor Gollum]

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Others are downright dangerous and cannot be disabled usually - emergency braking type technologies, and it seems VAG group cars seem to be particularly sensitive to imagining it's seen something close and slamming on the anchors.
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Tesla are also well documented for issues of ‘Phantom Braking’ as they call it. This again refers to the vehicle sensors seeing shadows and mistaking them for obstacles and slamming on the brakes. 

The Merc system does it occasionally but it stops braking the instant that the 'obstruction' has moved... It won't actually stop the car but might equate to a hefty stab of the pedal. That said, it warms you that it's about to do it on the Speedo so you can correct before it reacts. The biggest issue is when the system maintains a gap and someone dives into it... then it really pulls you up.

Fortunately because it's only the front radar, it only sees things in its immediate field. The full system uses lidar sensors on both ends and on the rear quarters for proximity stuff and can be prone to interference and therefore confusion.

Lane keeping is actually quite tiring to use as it weights up the steering so you end up fighting it constantly if the conditions aren't perfect.

To the original question, why newer? Plenty of decent older cars with less interference. Newer tech isn't necessarily a good thing as the electronics and software aren't always as dependable as you might think.

[Rangie]

I get a lot of hire cars, and all of them have various nanny shite that I have to spend 10 minutes finding how to disable them, and then another couple of minutes every time I start the car disabling the shit.

Some are just annoying - stop-start being one.

Others are downright dangerous, but can usually be disabled - lane assist type technologies.

Others are downright dangerous and cannot be disabled usually - emergency braking type technologies, and it seems VAG group cars seem to be particularly sensitive to imagining it's seen something close and slamming on the anchors.



As to the the various forms of distance adaptive cruise under the various marketing wank names manufacturers give it (I'm guessing MB will call it something like dist-tronic, BMW will call it something like dist-hold, VAG will make up some meaningless acronym), I'm generally against those sort of driver aids.  In fact, I rarely use normal cruise control, though I do use speed limiter type functions through workworks etc being the (failed) reformed character I am.

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Got to agree about stop start , fortunately the Toyota hasn't got it but our old neighbour who we bought our Subaru Forester from bought a Merc hatchback to replace it I used it a couple of times and switched it off didn't like it at all, she actually told us several times that she wished she had kept the Subaru. Out of interest do any hybrids have stop start ?

[Rangie]

All this tech is maybe good for some people and good once the person learns to trust it and relay.

What happens when it fails and there's no warming?

Once read about a Beemer when the throttle got stuck, couldn't turn off the engine or switch off or alter settings, nothing worked

He called the police who helped clear the motorway the poor guy was bricking it as the car just kept accelerating, not sure how it concluded bu reckon underpants were full.

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Was Keanu Reeves driving it .😄

[Varche]

“To the original question, why newer? Plenty of decent older cars with less interference. Newer tech isn't necessarily a good thing as the electronics and software aren't always as dependable as you might think“

Just fancy a newer car with better headlights. Plus might be free of big bill maintenance for a few years. Still got some big Europe journeys left in me though doubt I will ever drive to Britain again.

I am thinking now that something pre July 24 might be the answer.