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[r1]

we should burn the lot of them[but we cant say that as its not our country any more]

[Entwood]

Without getting into a "right/wrong" argument .... a little background ....

In the strictest form of a Hinduism cremation ceremony, the oldest male child will light the pyre and then crack the skull of the deceased with a single blow with a bamboo pole.

This, in their belief, releases the soul of the deceased and allows it to proceed on its way.

It is for these reasons that this man thinks an "english" cremation is unacceptable

Many religions of the world have some form of cremation/funeral pyre and this is, in a social history sense, actually based on hygine/practicality .. in hot parts of the world human flesh decays rapidly and is a source of infection, so a pyre/cremation soon after death is a way of reducing the possibility of spreading infection.

It is now called "religious belief" .. but as in many religous practices .. can be traced back to when the "leaders" of societies were the educated "priests" (for want of a better word) and they "made" folks do many things that benefited their societies by making them part of "worship"....

as a few examples....

"Ritual cleansing" forced peasants to wash before eating, so reducing illness

"halal" meat ... where all the blood is drained from a carcass, enables the meat to be kept longer without going off, so reducing food poisoning

"cremation" .. already discussed

There are many more, in different religions, and just because we don't understand them, or agree with them, is not reason enough to disparage them.

It used to be called "understanding" ....   :-/ :-/ :-/

[STMO123]

This is degenerating a bit now, I didn't mean it to when I started the thread. But I stand by my original thoughts, I agree with the government, for a change.

[albitz]

I think they want official designated ares etc; which while admittedly not very British,they arent blowing up trains and buses and calling British soldiers marching along British streets murderers,nor do they insist on building enormous temples in the middle of royal parks etc;so maybe a bit of compromise wouldnt hurt?

[dbug]

When in Rome . . . . .

When in Britain . . . . .

Wots wrong with that adage??

[mantahatch]

When in Rome . . . . .

When in Britain . . . . .

Wots wrong with that adage??

Strangely nothing, I agree with the "when in rome" theory. But I also agree with being able to dispose of a body "cheaply". Although I am not religious at all, I am English through and through, I would like the option for my relatives to just burn my body on a bit of waste ground with no interference.
I do not want to think my relatives have to stump up the cash to bury/cremate me.
Just a nice big fire, maybe at the cost of a gallon of petrol to make sure it burns well.

So yes, I would like this.

Mike

[albitz]

Generally speaking,I agree.I think British culture and customs are being swamped and run roughshod over in many ways.In fact I believe that the vast majority of people who have come to this country in the last 10 years or so should be sent back where they came from,and extreme muslimism(and any other form of extremism) should not be pandered to,we should have a zero tolerance policy on these people.
I am simply saying that Hindus have no history afaik of causing trouble/using the system for their agenda etc; so it might not be a problem to allow them to have their own particular type of funeral.

[Martin_1962]

I hope noone is showing racism towards our Hindu friends. I know enough Hindu people to say they are usually hard working and quiet people.

I would find a few places around the country preferably with chimneys to allow them to carry out their version of cremation with some alterations for the crowded country we live in.

Waste wood, or farmed wood offcuts, away from populations, with preferably a wind to blow them put to sea, and best of all would be a chimney of possible.

Some Hindu owned businesses buy our software and I deal with the people regularly.

[Martin_1962]

The British culture (which is in general welcoming) is in danger, but not from incomers but from the PC squad.

Where there is problems it is not from the first generation people but the second or greater where they are born here but do not feel at home here.

If an immigrant feels British they are British, just act British and join in. Lots of immigrants have, for example Jewish people displaced from Europe and Russia in 1900 to 1945 period have COMPLETELY integrated, most of the Carribean immigrants of the 1950s and their descendants have mainly integrated. Indians tend to stay in their own areas but want to suceed.

Anyway it comes down to one thing - the attitude

[mantagte]

Enough is enough this is Great Britain, I think it's about time they realise this.... they can't change it to their way of life they should adopt ours they came here to get away from their country.

Was Great Britain  :-/  I had better not get started on this thread, i may say something that lots of others think  

go ahead say what you think it is still a free country at the minute  
well i think it is

[Pete Elite]

Im a bit undecided on this one tbh.To my knowledge Hindus(unlike some other minority groups)dont ask for much in this country,we dont generally hear much from them or about them as they seem to go quietly about their business without screaming about discrimination etc;Afaik they are peaceful people and can be frustrated at getting lumped in together with other more vocal Asian groups.
So it may not be a big deal to allow this as long as it isnt the thin edge of a wedge from some new fundamentalist strain of Hinduism.
I seem to remember that one of the first of the demanding law change for religious purposes was the sikhs with the crash helmet law,they got their own way on it (wrongly imo) but havent heard any more demands from them since. :-/

If their religion says that they should be burned after death, then what is wrong with a crematorium. No doubt some symbolic difference.

            The symbol being this  [size=24]£[/size] .