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[Jimbob]

yes, AOL, talktalk, 02, orange & sky

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WNCSS

Go with o2 then.

There £22 package looks promising

still need extra news service, But ill have a read up on em  

[TheBoy]

At 5.5k, I don't think the ADSL2 ones will help a great deal speed wise either   - though every line is individual.

He won't be any worse off, but he'll certainly be paying less.

As you say though, every line is individual (I get more than I should get in theory).

If going to o2, he'll be losing his range of IPs, and dropping to just 1 - not sure how important that is to him, he'll also be losing Zen's customer service, which is a million times better than O2s. Again, not sure how important that is.

Lastly, its slapped on top of Be's network, which isn't great in some areas - advanatge of legacy IPStream is it bloody good in all areas now.


Up to Jimbob to make the decision - other ISPs will be cheaper (Zen are one of the most expensive, but also one of the most stable), depending what fits his requirements.

[TheBoy]

yes, AOL, talktalk, 02, orange & sky

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WNCSS

Go with o2 then.

There £22 package looks promising

still need extra news service, But ill have a read up on em  

Std + static IP would be cheaper, can't see any benefit in more expensive packages considering your poor line...

[Marks DTM Calib]

Beware of ADSL2 though as its suffers more regular dropouts due to trying to push the boundaries a bit further (somewhat dependent on the settings the ISP sets at the exchange end, Virgin seem the worst with regaulr LCP failures)

[Jimbob]

yes, AOL, talktalk, 02, orange & sky

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WNCSS

Go with o2 then.

There £22 package looks promising

still need extra news service, But ill have a read up on em  

Std + static IP would be cheaper, can't see any benefit in more expensive packages considering your poor line...

yes, just realised i would be paying an extra £10 for a load of license i dont want, speed I cant use & cust service I hope not to need, and a router that i have nothing compatible with  


yes I have 8 IP's, but never got round to setting up differnt services to have diffent ip's so not important.

Just need 1 static

[TheBoy]

yes, AOL, talktalk, 02, orange & sky

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WNCSS

Go with o2 then.

There £22 package looks promising

still need extra news service, But ill have a read up on em  

Std + static IP would be cheaper, can't see any benefit in more expensive packages considering your poor line...

yes, just realised i would be paying an extra £2-3 for a load of license i dont want, cust service I hope not to need, and a router that i have nothing compatible with  


yes I have 8 IP's, but never got round to setting up differnt services to have diffent ip's so not important.

Just need 1 static

Thats good, as they are generally appalling!  They can make BT Broadband's CS look good

[KillerWatt]

There £22 package looks promising

It will be £17 if you happen to be an o2 customer

still need extra news service, But ill have a read up on em  

I've been with them since last June. Never had a loss of service, although they did have a DNS issue that lasted for a week (that can happen to anybody, and there was nothing to stop you using your own DNS as a temporary fix).
 
Bandwidth wise, I'm a serial downloader easily hitting 80 - 100GB per day and they haven't complained once.
Hardware wise, the supplied router (Thomson) isn't quite my cup of tea....but it will be good enough for the "home" user.

I got in before the price hike, so I'm paying £15 for the Pro package.
All in all, can't fault it.

[Jimbob]

So IF i swap to O2, they reckon 3meg!

£12 + $9

If only you could really try before you buy  :-?

[TheBoy]

Beware of ADSL2 though as its suffers more regular dropouts due to trying to push the boundaries a bit further (somewhat dependent on the settings the ISP sets at the exchange end, Virgin seem the worst with regaulr LCP failures)

Correct.  BT tend to use reasonable parameters on their Max products for getting max line speed.

Its very unlikely that any rate adaptive system will ever retain the stability of fix system (for marketing reasons mostly).

The uptime of the fixed line that runs this forum:
System up:   188 days 19 hours 14 minutes
Line up:     187 days 23 hours 12 minutes

Max line, right next to it:
System up:   86 days 14 hours 15 minutes
Line up:     29 days 9 hours 23 minutes

[Jimbob]

There £22 package looks promising

It will be £17 if you happen to be an o2 customer

still need extra news service, But ill have a read up on em  

I've been with them since last June. Never had a loss of service, although they did have a DNS issue that lasted for a week (that can happen to anybody, and there was nothing to stop you using your own DNS as a temporary fix).
 
Bandwidth wise, I'm a serial downloader easily hitting 80 - 100GB per day and they haven't complained once.
Hardware wise, the supplied router (Thomson) isn't quite my cup of tea....but it will be good enough for the "home" user.

I got in before the price hike, so I'm paying £15 for the Pro package.
All in all, can't fault it.

Can drop to their basic package.

its newsgroups I want, not DNS (although that does come in handy)

dont need the router anyway, I am already running far better hardware than they are supplying.

Just wonder what the speeds would really be like  :-/

[Marks DTM Calib]

Beware of ADSL2 though as its suffers more regular dropouts due to trying to push the boundaries a bit further (somewhat dependent on the settings the ISP sets at the exchange end, Virgin seem the worst with regaulr LCP failures)

Correct.  BT tend to use reasonable parameters on their Max products for getting max line speed.

Its very unlikely that any rate adaptive system will ever retain the stability of fix system (for marketing reasons mostly).

The uptime of the fixed line that runs this forum:
System up:   188 days 19 hours 14 minutes
Line up:     187 days 23 hours 12 minutes

Max line, right next to it:
System up:   86 days 14 hours 15 minutes
Line up:     29 days 9 hours 23 minutes

Where as Virgin are very agressive and hence I have an up time of around 8 hours on average. But, they can then market as having the fastest broadband (when it rather works!)

[TheBoy]

There £22 package looks promising

It will be £17 if you happen to be an o2 customer

still need extra news service, But ill have a read up on em  

I've been with them since last June. Never had a loss of service, although they did have a DNS issue that lasted for a week (that can happen to anybody, and there was nothing to stop you using your own DNS as a temporary fix).
 
Bandwidth wise, I'm a serial downloader easily hitting 80 - 100GB per day and they haven't complained once.
Hardware wise, the supplied router (Thomson) isn't quite my cup of tea....but it will be good enough for the "home" user.

I got in before the price hike, so I'm paying £15 for the Pro package.
All in all, can't fault it.

No, it can't and won't happen to most reasonable ISPs, as it is the easiest problem in the world for them to fix  

But easy for tech users to fix as well

[KillerWatt]

So IF i swap to O2, they reckon 3meg!

£12 + $9

If only you could really try before you buy  :-?

Just remember, their calculation of what you will get is just a guess (although the guess is invariably right).
I was told I would only get 14Mbit. I pull 17.5Mbit when it's dry and 16.2Mbit when it's raining......I'll go outside and attack the BT box on my wall with some mastic if the speed drops any more when it's wet  

[KillerWatt]

There £22 package looks promising

It will be £17 if you happen to be an o2 customer

still need extra news service, But ill have a read up on em  

I've been with them since last June. Never had a loss of service, although they did have a DNS issue that lasted for a week (that can happen to anybody, and there was nothing to stop you using your own DNS as a temporary fix).
 
Bandwidth wise, I'm a serial downloader easily hitting 80 - 100GB per day and they haven't complained once.
Hardware wise, the supplied router (Thomson) isn't quite my cup of tea....but it will be good enough for the "home" user.

I got in before the price hike, so I'm paying £15 for the Pro package.
All in all, can't fault it.

No, it can't and won't happen to most reasonable ISPs, as it is the easiest problem in the world for them to fix  

Until you know what the problem was, and how it came about....how can you say it WON'T happen to most reasonable ISP's?

[TheBoy]

So IF i swap to O2, they reckon 3meg!

£12 + $9

If only you could really try before you buy  :-?

Agreed. But we can't  

I think in the case of O2 (and indeed most current suppliers), esp with your line stats, stability will be the biggest issue.