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[Nickbat]

September 2007:
Today, I will give this cast-iron guarantee: If I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations.  No treaty should be ratified without consulting the British people in a referendum.

The word on the streets is that he will not now propose to hold a referendum. If he doesn't, he can say goodbye to my vote. 

What happened to that old maxim:"My word is my bond"?

On the same subject, this is an interesting clip with Farage and Hannan:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7-SituQpV0&feature=player_embedded[/media]

[mantahatch]

I would imagine the treaty will be ratified before the election. This will leave him with no point in holding a referendum.
The present government is doing it's best to wreck everything for the next government.

We are facing massive tax rises from next summer from whoever gets in power.
Cameron can say he will give us a referendum but I think it will be to late.

[Kevin Wood]

Promising one thing to get a headline and then backtracking when he thinks the public have forgotten?

That's exactly what we've got with the current government! I don't think the electorate will stand for another 4+ years of that.

What we desperately need is a leader who knows what he can reasonably achieve, makes attainable promises and stands by them.

So, he won't be getting my vote either - not that he had come close to earning it.

Kevin

[mantahatch]

Promising one thing to get a headline and then backtracking when he thinks the public have forgotten?

That's exactly what we've got with the current government! I don't think the electorate will stand for another 4+ years of that.

What we desperately need is a leader who knows what he can reasonably achieve, makes attainable promises and stands by them.

So, he won't be getting my vote either - not that he had come close to earning it.



Kevin

Tsk tsk Kevin, how can you live in such a nice area in the Hampshire countryside and not be a tory 

[Dishevelled Den]

I'm concerned that many on the Tory front bench are beginning to show the early signs of impotence over this Treaty ratification.

Whilst the Lisbon Accord will be slavishly agreed to by the cowardly and incompetent government we now have in power, before any general election here, it seems that the Tories will submit to the inevitable.

The damage will then be done and short of a fundamental disconnect with Brussels, the done deal will remain unchallenged.

David Cameron may well have committed the cardinal error of having talked the talk he will be unable to walk the walk.

WHERE HAVE ALL THE POLITICIANS WITH BALLS, CONVICTION AND CONCERN FOR THIS NATION GONE?

THERE'S TOO MANY GUTLESS BASTARDS IN PUBLIC OFFICE FOR MY LIKING!

[Varche]

Q. How can you tell if a politician is lying?

A. Their lips are moving.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

September 2007:
Today, I will give this cast-iron guarantee: If I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations.  No treaty should be ratified without consulting the British people in a referendum.

The word on the streets is that he will not now propose to hold a referendum. If he doesn't, he can say goodbye to my vote. 

What happened to that old maxim:"My word is my bond"?

On the same subject, this is an interesting clip with Farage and Hannan:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7-SituQpV0&feature=player_embedded[/media]

I thought that you had already decided to vote for "The Little Englander Party"....Nickbat.
I might vote for David Cameron though....

[albitz]

A boy doing a mans job.

[albitz]

September 2007:
]Today,will give this cast-iron guarantee: If I become PM a Conservative government will hold ]a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations.  No treaty should be ratified without consulting the British people in a referendum.The word on the [/highlight][/highlight]streets is that he will not now propose to hold a referendum. If he doesn't, he can say goodbye to my vote. 

What happened to that old maxim:"My word is my bond"?

On the same subject, this is an interesting clip with Farage and Hannan:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7-SituQpV0&feature=player_embedded[/media]

He said today that he wont be holding a refurendum on it.Apparently there are more important things to worry about.Short of an imminent nuclear attack,I cant imagine what they might be.
Like I said,a boy doing a mans job.Hope his testicles drop soon and he ceases to defy medical science by walking upright without a spine.

[HolyCount]

In answer to the original question .....

Yes! His word, along with every other politician, it seems, IS worthless ! 

[Dishevelled Den]

On the point of having conviction over one's statements I can see and sympathise with your point A.

There is a basic difficulty however in that when the treaty is ratified in its entirety the conditions are subsumed into European law.

Any one wishing to do something about it - including the Tories under DC - would find it all but impossible to achieve any satisfactory result short of withdrawing from the main framework of the EU.

This would prove very difficult and may result in a legal, practical and political problem of such proportion and complexity that the interests of this country could be placed in jeopardy for some time from that point.

It seems that we have been 'done up like a kipper' by the Brown regime and Brussels.

I would have thought however that DC should have considered the possibility of this happening as it has  - and if he didn't, one would have to question his judgement or the efficacy of the advice he was given and his ability to assess it.

[albitz]

On the point of having conviction over one's statements I can see and sympathise with your point A.

There is a basic difficulty however in that when the treaty is ratified in its entirety the conditions are subsumed into European law.

Any one wishing to do something about it - including the Tories under DC - would find it all but impossible to achieve any satisfactory result short of withdrawing from the main framework of the EU.

This would prove very difficult and may result in a legal, practical and political problem of such proportion and complexity that the interests of this country could be placed in jeopardy for some time from that point.

It seems that we have been 'done up like a kipper' by the Brown regime and Brussels.

I would have thought however that DC should have considered the possibility of this happening as it has  - and if he didn't, one would have to question his judgement or the efficacy of the advice he was given and his ability to assess it.

Thats the one for me uncle.

[Nickbat]

On the point of having conviction over one's statements I can see and sympathise with your point A.

There is a basic difficulty however in that when the treaty is ratified in its entirety the conditions are subsumed into European law.

Any one wishing to do something about it - including the Tories under DC - would find it all but impossible to achieve any satisfactory result short of withdrawing from the main framework of the EU.

This would prove very difficult and may result in a legal, practical and political problem of such proportion and complexity that the interests of this country could be placed in jeopardy for some time from that point.

It seems that we have been 'done up like a kipper' by the Brown regime and Brussels.

I would have thought however that DC should have considered the possibility of this happening as it has  - and if he didn't, one would have to question his judgement or the efficacy of the advice he was given and his ability to assess it.

The treaty is self-amending, in that it is now all but impossible to renegotiate any of its existing parts or any parts yet to come.

I would agree with Albs that the only way is to leave the EU. Sounds bizarre, I know, but until we do even that miniscule portion of our democracy that we still have will be eaten up by the superstate.

Even though this country may suffer financially (although I don't think we will), it is not all about money. Our previous generations fought over the freedom of people to determine our future thorugh our parliament. This Treaty is a backward step for democracy, not just for us, but for all the peoples of the Europe.

It is entirely illogical - and hypocritical - to devolve government to Scotland, Wales and (hesitatingly) Northern Ireland on the basis that this enhances democracy, yet surrender the power of the Westminster to the EU.

Thank you, Blair and Brown for selling our sovereignty for your own political advancement.

I'm off to UKIP. 

[HolyCount]

On the point of having conviction over one's statements I can see and sympathise with your point A.

There is a basic difficulty however in that when the treaty is ratified in its entirety the conditions are subsumed into European law.

Any one wishing to do something about it - including the Tories under DC - would find it all but impossible to achieve any satisfactory result short of withdrawing from the main framework of the EU.

This would prove very difficult and may result in a legal, practical and political problem of such proportion and complexity that the interests of this country could be placed in jeopardy for some time from that point.

It seems that we have been 'done up like a kipper' by the Brown regime and Brussels.

I would have thought however that DC should have considered the possibility of this happening as it has  - and if he didn't, one would have to question his judgement or the efficacy of the advice he was given and his ability to assess it.

The treaty is self-amending, in that it is now all but impossible to renegotiate any of its existing parts or any parts yet to come.

I would agree with Albs that the only way is to leave the EU. Sounds bizarre, I know, but until we do even that miniscule portion of our democracy that we still have will be eaten up by the superstate.

Even though this country may suffer financially (although I don't think we will), it is not all about money. Our previous generations fought over the freedom of people to determine our future thorugh our parliament. This Treaty is a backward step for democracy, not just for us, but for all the peoples of the Europe.

It is entirely illogical - and hypocritical - to devolve government to Scotland, Wales and (hesitatingly) Northern Ireland on the basis that this enhances democracy, yet surrender the power of the Westminster to the EU.

Thank you, Blair and Brown for selling our sovereignty for your own political advancement.

I'm off to UKIP. 

Well ..... they've sold everything else 

[Richie London]

what sort of a pratt believed him in the first place. i'd trust an mp  as much as i would trust a lion not to eat a lump of steak sitting a foot away from him.