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[JamesV6CDX]

As you pointed out some suspect connections there need to be improved. Is there anyway of testing some of the core components out of the engine?

I doubt it,

To be honest, this is a lot simpler than the old mixer LPG systems. The only real front end components, are the Vapouriser, the ECU and a load of wires that need to be attached to the cars loom.

So not a lot mechanically to go wrong, that I can see.

Hopefully it will all "fall on the new car" as Martin thinks  

I would say that moving this system over would be one of the easiest LPG things to do

You have no idea how much confidence that gives me!!

[JamesV6CDX]

When I get this car, I presume to save time I could fit the inlet manifold with the LPG injectors onto it before coming down to you, and just drive it down on petrol?

[JamesV6CDX]

Martin - some points below from OMVL that we may need to bear in mind.

On a brighter note, looks like I was correct in as much as we are OK to use the OMVL setup software 100% legally and therefore discuss it publically on the forum.



From: OMVL  - FES Autogas Ltd <omvl@fesautogas.co.uk>
Date: Feb 9, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Software
To: xxxxx
Cc: Dai - FES Autogas Ltd <Dai@fesautogas.co.uk>


James,
 
It is perfectly legal for you to use the software on your car no problems at all.
 
The only thing to bear in mind is that you can make small changes that will still make the car run ok but it could be out on it's emissions and if you ever get this checked by those VOSA / Police check guys at the side of the road they can stop you driving your car.  perhaps where you live this is not a problem but here in North Wales we have daily random vehicle checks for things like this and red diesel in tanks etc, so it is a problem for us here.
 
best wishes,
 
Nick
 
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----- Original Message -----

From: xxxx
To: xxxxx
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:36 PM
Subject: Software


Good evening,
 
I have aquired a car with an OMVL gas injection kit fitted.
 
As far as the software for this goes, I have obtained a copy. but didn't get it with the kit, and am not aware that I have a licence for this. Presumably, because I own the LPG kit, it is legal for me to use this software?
 
I would very much appreciate of you could let me know before I use the software, as obviously I do not want to infringe any regulations such as licencing or copyright.
 
Kind regards
 
xxxxx

[Martin_1962]

When I get this car, I presume to save time I could fit the inlet manifold with the LPG injectors onto it before coming down to you, and just drive it down on petrol?

Yes after cleaning it and fitting new gaskets ect.

Block the holes with the injector pipes - don't need to be connected to the loom to act as plugs.

To be absolutely honest I think you will be fine. I know I am there mainly to support as I am sure you two could do it, but it is better to have someone who has done it before helping.

I also have been thinking.

TANK
------

Well it is a dangerous thing to have rolling about in the boot. Also it is  a simple job.

Firstly fit the tow bar - make sure the front two bolts are well tight as you won't see them again!! Don't worry about ball or wiring, bal can be sorted with 12S when filler is fitted.

Carefully measure where the support frame was fitted to the scrapper and fit to exact same place in the nice one.

Then drop tank on!

So when I see it you will have the manifold, tank, & tow bar fitted.

Some warnings

There are two dangers with LPG, one is the gas and the fact it burns - all tank stuff do outside in fresh air. Also see if you can operate the solenoid while the tank is upside down - this will shift any air which could be in the tank. The second is frost bite. The liquid will give you frost bite, keeps hands and faces away from the stuff.

[JamesV6CDX]

Cheers Martin - also see my above post about the OMVL software.

[Martin_1962]

Good news about the software

The flashlube is mainly used with Fords and other soft valve seat cars. Should be OK with GM

[JamesV6CDX]

In terms of getting together, my days off are:

Monday 12th Feb
Tuesday 13th Feb

(Intend to fit manifold + hopefully the tank on these days)

Sat 17th Feb
Sun 18th Feb

Free all weekend


Monday 19th Feb
Tue 20th Feb
Wed 21 Feb
Fri 23rd Feb

I'm on "cover" all of these days, so could have to go into work if someone is sick. Otherwise free to tinker.

Saturday 24th Feb
Sunday 25 Feb

Again, on cover these days, but doubt I will be working.


Monday 26th Feb
Tuesday 27th Feb

Free

Sat 3rd March, free lunchtime onwards (need to sleep, am on nights the night before
Sun 4th March, free all day.

I gather weekends are good for you, these dates are in bold. Obviously I'll fit in with you as best I possibly can!

Feel free to pick out of any of the above dates if you like!

[Martin_1962]

A few hours next week end should be fine just need to sort out which day and how long, don't want Sue moaning too much

A lot also depends on weather and if Sue is mystery shopping.

[VXL V6]

Can I just add a note about drilling holes in the boot area - Please delete this if not required.

When drilling through the boot floor please be extremely careful if anywhere near the petrol tank. (Most cars have the tank under the rear seat so are ok).

In the days of fixed carphones where the Transciever lived in the boot it was not unknown for installation engineers to not check and drill straight through the floor and though the top of the petrol tank, obviously the consequences of a hot drill bit into petrol / petrol fumes isn't ideal!

[Martin_1962]

Manifold - couple of hours, tank - couple of hours by TWO people (I did it with a 9 year old helper!)

The tank sits over the front tow bar holes - so if you fit one (if not you drill hole in side panel) get that on after.

Do not carry the tank around loose - if it isn't fitted for your first visit do it for the second.

First visit we will check what is what and then work from there.

Where was the ECU located?

Can it easily go in the same place on the new car?

Should be plenty to do between visits

[Martin_1962]

Can I just add a note about drilling holes in the boot area - Please delete this if not required.

When drilling through the boot floor please be extremely careful if anywhere near the petrol tank. (Most cars have the tank under the rear seat so are ok).

In the days of fixed carphones where the Transciever lived in the boot it was not unknown for installation engineers to not check and drill straight through the floor and though the top of the petrol tank, obviously the consequences of a hot drill bit into petrol / petrol fumes isn't ideal!

The petrol tank is behind the axle - there is a small safe area for drilling about 100mm square, just avoiding chassis rails and petrol fuel pump.

All else fails look at what was done last time!!

[Ken T]

Have you managed to get a dongle for the software?. You might find that you are limited in what you can do in the way of setting up the ECU without one. I am planning an install of a similar system (Dream C) that I bought via Ebay from, guess who, Avon Autogas. They sent me the programming lead and software, but no dongle. I powered up the ECU on the bench, a 12V feed to the ECU main fed and switched line, connected it up to the laptop and found I could only check a few things but not alter them. FES wanted about £65 plus VAT for the dongle, a bit expensive but........ There may be some software out there that doesn't need this, you will find that a lot of the Italian LPG stuff is made by AEB, and several companies buy it and 'badge engineer' it, hence software for another system might work. Thanks for all your photos, esp showing where the injectors are located. I confess to being slightly worried about taking off my inlet manifold and starting to drill holes in it, in case I make a mistake and have to start looking for another manifold.

[JamesV6CDX]

Have you managed to get a dongle for the software?. You might find that you are limited in what you can do in the way of setting up the ECU without one. I am planning an install of a similar system (Dream C) that I bought via Ebay from, guess who, Avon Autogas. They sent me the programming lead and software, but no dongle. I powered up the ECU on the bench, a 12V feed to the ECU main fed and switched line, connected it up to the laptop and found I could only check a few things but not alter them. FES wanted about £65 plus VAT for the dongle, a bit expensive but........ There may be some software out there that doesn't need this, you will find that a lot of the Italian LPG stuff is made by AEB, and several companies buy it and 'badge engineer' it, hence software for another system might work. Thanks for all your photos, esp showing where the injectors are located. I confess to being slightly worried about taking off my inlet manifold and starting to drill holes in it, in case I make a mistake and have to start looking for another manifold.

Martin?

[Martin_1962]

1) Software ect ask at groups.yahoo.com

2) Manifold - sorry too few cylinders

[Ken T]

Just had a reply back from Nick at FES, he says "your associate only need a dongle if you want to open the gas map and other features, but in reality it is not really necessary for him". I guess he remembers your original query, and also as you are shifting between the same type and size engines, then you probably won't need to adjust settings. There are several versions of the Dream N software around, so its probable that there is one that will work without hardware. You should be OK, as you have someone with previous experience to help. Can I come along with a camcorder and we can do an "LPG Install Guide"?.