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Re: Usual cambelt arguement
« Reply #75 on: 16 February 2010, 21:43:41 »

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That scared me .. STMO as an ex-member .. then I saw the date of the posts !!!

Some dusting due on this thread methinks !!!

And doing the job without the correct locking kit is IMHO .. plain stupid  :(

Cable ties and bits of wire are NOT sufficient to do the job properly.

comes under the heading "bodged" IMHO .... sorry ...  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

I was hoping, thought the pedantic idiot had gone and done one, Iam so gutted.  ::) :-/
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Re: Usual cambelt arguement
« Reply #76 on: 16 February 2010, 21:44:11 »

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That scared me .. STMO as an ex-member .. then I saw the date of the posts !!!

Some dusting due on this thread methinks !!!

And doing the job without the correct locking kit is IMHO .. plain stupid  :(

Cable ties and bits of wire are NOT sufficient to do the job properly.

comes under the heading "bodged" IMHO .... sorry ...  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

Well you know... as far as I'm concerned you don't even have to use the locking tool. I had really good tutorial with me in case something goes wrong. Maybe it was stupid, but it worked and it did the job, properly  :P

BTW none of the local garages wanted to do it, so...
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Re: Usual cambelt arguement
« Reply #77 on: 16 February 2010, 22:06:46 »

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That scared me .. STMO as an ex-member .. then I saw the date of the posts !!!

Some dusting due on this thread methinks !!!

And doing the job without the correct locking kit is IMHO .. plain stupid  :(

Cable ties and bits of wire are NOT sufficient to do the job properly.

comes under the heading "bodged" IMHO .... sorry ...  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

Well you know... as far as I'm concerned you don't even have to use the locking tool. I had really good tutorial with me in case something goes wrong. Maybe it was stupid, but it worked and it did the job, properly  :P
BTW none of the local garages wanted to do it, so...

Nah it didn't, but, its better than having badly worn tensioners etc although I strongly recommend getting the kit and doing it properly when you can
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Re: Usual cambelt arguement
« Reply #78 on: 16 February 2010, 22:09:33 »

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That scared me .. STMO as an ex-member .. then I saw the date of the posts !!!

Some dusting due on this thread methinks !!!

And doing the job without the correct locking kit is IMHO .. plain stupid  :(

Cable ties and bits of wire are NOT sufficient to do the job properly.

comes under the heading "bodged" IMHO .... sorry ...  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

I was crying, thought the pedantic idiot had gone and done one, I was so gutted.  ::) :-/
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Re: Usual cambelt arguement
« Reply #79 on: 16 February 2010, 22:14:25 »

You go me all excited STMO, and  I now find you are still here....... :'( :'( :D :D :D
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Re: Usual cambelt arguement
« Reply #80 on: 16 February 2010, 22:16:10 »

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That scared me .. STMO as an ex-member .. then I saw the date of the posts !!!

Some dusting due on this thread methinks !!!

And doing the job without the correct locking kit is IMHO .. plain stupid  :(

Cable ties and bits of wire are NOT sufficient to do the job properly.

comes under the heading "bodged" IMHO .... sorry ...  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

Well you know... as far as I'm concerned you don't even have to use the locking tool. I had really good tutorial with me in case something goes wrong. Maybe it was stupid, but it worked and it did the job, properly  :P
BTW none of the local garages wanted to do it, so...

Nah it didn't, but, its better than having badly worn tensioners etc although I strongly recommend getting the kit and doing it properly when you can

I don't get it. What is not done properly since you don't even need the locking tool? Everything is in its place, isn't?

I also have my opinion of following the right procedures and I rather to keep it to myself (you don't want to know), but there ARE other ways of doing things. I didn't expect such negative feedback :o

ps: I also asked a question regarding the tool for tensioner.
thanks
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Re: Usual cambelt arguement
« Reply #81 on: 16 February 2010, 22:19:20 »

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You go me all excited STMO, and  I now find you are still here....... :'( :'( :D :D :D

Again? ::)
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Re: Usual cambelt arguement
« Reply #82 on: 16 February 2010, 22:21:03 »

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You go me all excited STMO, and  I now find you are still here....... :'( :'( :D :D :D

Again? ::)

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Re: Usual cambelt arguement
« Reply #83 on: 16 February 2010, 22:42:06 »

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That scared me .. STMO as an ex-member .. then I saw the date of the posts !!!

Some dusting due on this thread methinks !!!

And doing the job without the correct locking kit is IMHO .. plain stupid  :(

Cable ties and bits of wire are NOT sufficient to do the job properly.

comes under the heading "bodged" IMHO .... sorry ...  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

Well you know... as far as I'm concerned you don't even have to use the locking tool. I had really good tutorial with me in case something goes wrong. Maybe it was stupid, but it worked and it did the job, properly  :P
BTW none of the local garages wanted to do it, so...

Nah it didn't, but, its better than having badly worn tensioners etc although I strongly recommend getting the kit and doing it properly when you can

I don't get it. What is not done properly since you don't even need the locking tool? Everything is in its place, isn't?

I also have my opinion of following the right procedures and I rather to keep it to myself (you don't want to know), but there ARE other ways of doing things. I didn't expect such negative feedback :o

ps: I also asked a question regarding the tool for tensioner.
thanks

Simples, the cambelt an tensioenr change on the V6 is more than involved than mosts engines.

The timing marks on the rear of the cambelt cover are pretty inaccurate and hence you have to lock the crank to an accurate TDC and then use a spectacle gauge to set the 3-4 bank accurately to the crank. You then set the the 1-2 bank accurately to the 3-4 bank.

Only then can u set the tension correcty.

Its pretty involved.  :y
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Re: Usual cambelt arguement
« Reply #84 on: 16 February 2010, 22:44:20 »

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That scared me .. STMO as an ex-member .. then I saw the date of the posts !!!

Some dusting due on this thread methinks !!!

And doing the job without the correct locking kit is IMHO .. plain stupid  :(

Cable ties and bits of wire are NOT sufficient to do the job properly.

comes under the heading "bodged" IMHO .... sorry ...  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

Well you know... as far as I'm concerned you don't even have to use the locking tool. I had really good tutorial with me in case something goes wrong. Maybe it was stupid, but it worked and it did the job, properly  :P
BTW none of the local garages wanted to do it, so...

Nah it didn't, but, its better than having badly worn tensioners etc although I strongly recommend getting the kit and doing it properly when you can

I don't get it. What is not done properly since you don't even need the locking tool? Everything is in its place, isn't?

I also have my opinion of following the right procedures and I rather to keep it to myself (you don't want to know), but there ARE other ways of doing things. I didn't expect such negative feedback :o

ps: I also asked a question regarding the tool for tensioner.
thanks

Simples, the cambelt an tensioenr change on the V6 is more than involved than mosts engines.

The timing marks on the rear of the cambelt cover are pretty inaccurate and hence you have to lock the crank to an accurate TDC and then use a spectacle gauge to set the 3-4 bank accurately to the crank. You then set the the 1-2 bank accurately to the 3-4 bank.

Only then can u set the tension correcty.

Its pretty involved.  :y

Agree with Mark - having done around 60+ of them ;D - it's definatley more involved than your usual engine...

That said - when you get to grips with it, it's not a bad job - IF you do it properly and take your time ;)
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Re: Usual cambelt arguement
« Reply #85 on: 16 February 2010, 22:48:59 »

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Agree with Mark - having done around 60+ of them ;D - it's definatley more involved than your usual engine...

That said - when you get to grips with it, it's not a bad job - IF you do it properly and take your time ;)

.. and, leaving aside the requirements for accuracy with this engine, doing it without a locking set on any DOHC engine - let alone a quad cam engine - is such a pain in the backside it's not worth wasting your time on, IME.

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Re: Usual cambelt arguement
« Reply #86 on: 16 February 2010, 22:53:55 »

Thanks for your suggestions, but like I said, I had a really good tutorial with me, from guy who also did tens if not hundreds of cambelts. His tut didn't involve a locking tool, but drill bits :P
and again, his tut included a plan B in case wheels goes off.
For me it is pointless buying a locking tool as I don't own a garage and I don't do this for money.
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Re: Usual cambelt arguement
« Reply #87 on: 17 February 2010, 01:53:09 »

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That scared me .. STMO as an ex-member .. then I saw the date of the posts !!!

Some dusting due on this thread methinks !!!

And doing the job without the correct locking kit is IMHO .. plain stupid  :(

Cable ties and bits of wire are NOT sufficient to do the job properly.

comes under the heading "bodged" IMHO .... sorry ...  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
I thought there was a god  :y
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Re: Usual cambelt arguement
« Reply #88 on: 17 February 2010, 18:45:46 »

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Thanks for your suggestions, but like I said, I had a really good tutorial with me, from guy who also did tens if not hundreds of cambelts. His tut didn't involve a locking tool, but drill bits :P
and again, his tut included a plan B in case wheels goes off.
For me it is pointless buying a locking tool as I don't own a garage and I don't do this for money.
xYz, nobody is trying to give you any bad feedback, just advice.  Believe me, you REALLY DO need a locking kit on this engine.  I accept that most engines can be done without, but not this one.  This engine, unlike your more common inline engines, has infinately adjustable cam timing between each back (though the 2 cams on each bank are preset).  To get the tensioner set correctly, the cam timing should be perfect (which is not measurable without the kit).

Bank one is timed to bank two, which is timed to the crank. Due to the infinately variable timing, you cannot time bank 2 to the crank. At best, you can get an approximate guess.  Due to the infinately variable timing, you cannot correctly time bank 1 to the approx/guessed timing on bank 2.  By the time you get to setting the tensioner, the whole thing is so far out, that it really is setting it blind.


This is not the setup seen on most cars, where the timing is preset at design, by the number of teeth between each component ;)


As Marks DTM Calib said, better than having a shagged up tensioner, but still definately worth trying to do it properly soon :y.  I would highly recommend that.

Hopefully somebody nearby would be willing to lend you a kit for a day or 2 :y

As said, nobody is 'getting at you'. 



To other members - if your garage/mechanic reckons he can do a GM V6 without a full locking kit, go elsewhere. He is wrong. No ifs or buts. He is wrong. End of.
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Re: Usual cambelt arguement
« Reply #89 on: 17 February 2010, 19:06:04 »

I know nobody who would lend me a kit :( and I am far from 500+ posts, unless you want me to spam the forum :P

edit: the key for setting tensioner, how does it look like?
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