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[Lizzie_Zoom]

Is there some sort of Geneva Convention or U.N treaty that dictates we have to police the world? I know this mad dog should'nt be allowed to kill his own innocent people but we're hardly in a position to help. Our armed forces are facing cutbacks whilst already stretched to breaking point & losing lives sorting out other countries messes, we're in a proper 2 & 8 financially & politically with a government headed by two saps who don't have a backbone between them & hate eachother (bet they do really) & it seems we're off to lose more money & lives.

   I know my comments are based on very little knowledge so be gentle with me please but it just does'nt seem to add up somehow. Guy. :-/

We have more forces than often we give ourselves credit for Guy!  We certainly have RAF Tornados and Typhoons spare to get battle experience

However, do not forget this is an international coalition of force.  The French have already sent their aircraft in, and fired destroying a "military vehicle".  The Canadian Air Force will be there too, with our RAF arriving soon.  Aircraft from some Arab countries will also be involved.

The USA will provide back up, but in general we are all letting the French lead on this one. 

So there will be plenty of fire power, and in fact it will be awesome, reflecting the true might of the aircraft being used.

[Amigo]

Evening Lizzie. I thought our R.N & R.A.F. had been stripped of "rolling stock" recently with a gap of a few years before replacement, ie carriers & jets?, do we still have enough to manage/contribute?

   Just seems a shame that said causes of trouble are happening in the first place. I know mine's a simplistic view but it would be so much easier without such primatives rocking the boat. I wish they'd just leave it out!!!!

[Mysteryman]

Is there some sort of Geneva Convention or U.N treaty that dictates we have to police the world? I know this mad dog should'nt be allowed to kill his own innocent people but we're hardly in a position to help. Our armed forces are facing cutbacks whilst already stretched to breaking point & losing lives sorting out other countries messes, we're in a proper 2 & 8 financially & politically with a government headed by two saps who don't have a backbone between them & hate eachother (bet they do really) & it seems we're off to lose more money & lives.

   I know my comments are based on very little knowledge so be gentle with me please but it just does'nt seem to add up somehow. Guy. :-/

We have more forces than often we give ourselves credit for Guy!  We certainly have RAF Tornados and Typhoons spare to get battle experience

However, do not forget this is an international coalition of force.  The French have already sent their aircraft in, and fired destroying a "military vehicle".  The Canadian Air Force will be there too, with our RAF arriving soon.  Aircraft from some Arab countries will also be involved.

The USA will provide back up, but in general we are all letting the French lead on this one. 

So there will be plenty of fire power, and in fact it will be awesome, reflecting the true might of the aircraft being used.

Have you got a hotline to David Cameron or do you really mean to write 'could' or 'maybe'.

[MICHELINMAN]

Well the UN countries, including the Arab League, which was crucial, have decided to act militarily against Gaddafi.

With this time full legal, and moral, backing the French have their aircraft now patrolling above Libya, with British, Canadian, and Arab countries aircraft coming into play very soon.

The USA are, wisely, taking a bit of a back seat, and the Germans, along with the Italians (very understandably!!), will not be participating with their aircraft, but the latter will provide bases for the UN forces to use. 

The great thing is that they are going in above ground to assist the Libyan people who have requested International help, along with the Arab League, so it is not the evil West trying to dictate what happens in an Arab country, but Allies supporting Arabs to gain democracy and freedom in their own country

My only concern is that I do not know historically of any war that has been settled by air power alone.  However, the UN forces are going in with a "no boots on the ground policy".  I hope the Libyan people can do the rest! 8-) 8-) 8-)

I wish them well!  Allah be with them!

The Yanks settled WW2 when they dropped a couple of big ones on the Japs

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Is there some sort of Geneva Convention or U.N treaty that dictates we have to police the world? I know this mad dog should'nt be allowed to kill his own innocent people but we're hardly in a position to help. Our armed forces are facing cutbacks whilst already stretched to breaking point & losing lives sorting out other countries messes, we're in a proper 2 & 8 financially & politically with a government headed by two saps who don't have a backbone between them & hate eachother (bet they do really) & it seems we're off to lose more money & lives.

   I know my comments are based on very little knowledge so be gentle with me please but it just does'nt seem to add up somehow. Guy. :-/

We have more forces than often we give ourselves credit for Guy!  We certainly have RAF Tornados and Typhoons spare to get battle experience

However, do not forget this is an international coalition of force.  The French have already sent their aircraft in, and fired destroying a "military vehicle".  The Canadian Air Force will be there too, with our RAF arriving soon.  Aircraft from some Arab countries will also be involved.

The USA will provide back up, but in general we are all letting the French lead on this one. 

So there will be plenty of fire power, and in fact it will be awesome, reflecting the true might of the aircraft being used.

Have you got a hotline to David Cameron or do you really mean to write 'could' or 'maybe'.

I simply have confidence Steve in what has been decided unilaterally today and the international communities fire power, in the form of modern fighters and fighter bombers, let alone all the back up hardware, all being used by highly trained personnel.   

Therefore, as in business, you did not say "could", "maybe", "if", in the boardroom; you had to use positive, highly confident words, reflecting no doubt in your, and your teams, ability to achieve the goals set.  No other option should be available.  I am sure the military commanders are right now using very positive words indeed!

[Mysteryman]

Is there some sort of Geneva Convention or U.N treaty that dictates we have to police the world? I know this mad dog should'nt be allowed to kill his own innocent people but we're hardly in a position to help. Our armed forces are facing cutbacks whilst already stretched to breaking point & losing lives sorting out other countries messes, we're in a proper 2 & 8 financially & politically with a government headed by two saps who don't have a backbone between them & hate eachother (bet they do really) & it seems we're off to lose more money & lives.

   I know my comments are based on very little knowledge so be gentle with me please but it just does'nt seem to add up somehow. Guy. :-/

We have more forces than often we give ourselves credit for Guy!  We certainly have RAF Tornados and Typhoons spare to get battle experience

However, do not forget this is an international coalition of force.  The French have already sent their aircraft in, and fired destroying a "military vehicle".  The Canadian Air Force will be there too, with our RAF arriving soon.  Aircraft from some Arab countries will also be involved.

The USA will provide back up, but in general we are all letting the French lead on this one. 

So there will be plenty of fire power, and in fact it will be awesome, reflecting the true might of the aircraft being used.

Have you got a hotline to David Cameron or do you really mean to write 'could' or 'maybe'.

I simply have confidence Steve in what has been decided unilaterally today and the international communities fire power, in the form of modern fighters and fighter bombers, let alone all the back up hardware, all being used by highly trained personnel.   

Therefore, as in business, you did not say "could", "maybe", "if", in the boardroom; you had to use positive, highly confident words, reflecting no doubt in your, and your teams, ability to achieve the goals set.  No other option should be available.  I am sure the military commanders are right now using very positive words indeed!

break me! Our war correspondent has morphed into Alan Sugar.

[Amigo]

Is there some sort of Geneva Convention or U.N treaty that dictates we have to police the world? I know this mad dog should'nt be allowed to kill his own innocent people but we're hardly in a position to help. Our armed forces are facing cutbacks whilst already stretched to breaking point & losing lives sorting out other countries messes, we're in a proper 2 & 8 financially & politically with a government headed by two saps who don't have a backbone between them & hate eachother (bet they do really) & it seems we're off to lose more money & lives.

   I know my comments are based on very little knowledge so be gentle with me please but it just does'nt seem to add up somehow. Guy. :-/

We have more forces than often we give ourselves credit for Guy!  We certainly have RAF Tornados and Typhoons spare to get battle experience

However, do not forget this is an international coalition of force.  The French have already sent their aircraft in, and fired destroying a "military vehicle".  The Canadian Air Force will be there too, with our RAF arriving soon.  Aircraft from some Arab countries will also be involved.

The USA will provide back up, but in general we are all letting the French lead on this one. 

So there will be plenty of fire power, and in fact it will be awesome, reflecting the true might of the aircraft being used.

Have you got a hotline to David Cameron or do you really mean to write 'could' or 'maybe'.

I simply have confidence Steve in what has been decided unilaterally today and the international communities fire power, in the form of modern fighters and fighter bombers, let alone all the back up hardware, all being used by highly trained personnel.   

Therefore, as in business, you did not say "could", "maybe", "if", in the boardroom; you had to use positive, highly confident words, reflecting no doubt in your, and your teams, ability to achieve the goals set.  No other option should be available.  I am sure the military commanders are right now using very positive words indeed!

break me! Our war correspondent has morphed into Alan Sugar.

You're fired!!!

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Well the UN countries, including the Arab League, which was crucial, have decided to act militarily against Gaddafi.

With this time full legal, and moral, backing the French have their aircraft now patrolling above Libya, with British, Canadian, and Arab countries aircraft coming into play very soon.

The USA are, wisely, taking a bit of a back seat, and the Germans, along with the Italians (very understandably!!), will not be participating with their aircraft, but the latter will provide bases for the UN forces to use. 

The great thing is that they are going in above ground to assist the Libyan people who have requested International help, along with the Arab League, so it is not the evil West trying to dictate what happens in an Arab country, but Allies supporting Arabs to gain democracy and freedom in their own country

My only concern is that I do not know historically of any war that has been settled by air power alone.  However, the UN forces are going in with a "no boots on the ground policy".  I hope the Libyan people can do the rest! 8-) 8-) 8-)

I wish them well!  Allah be with them!

The Yanks settled WW2 when they dropped a couple of big ones on the Japs

But only EMU after many hundreds of thousands had fought, died, lost, and won, numerous battles across the Pacific, driving the war back all the way to the shores of Japan :-/ :-/ :-/

The great hope during WW2 was that air power could take out an enemy without the use of ground troops.  Sir Arthur "Bomber" Harris believed that for one, using 1,000 bomber night time raids, alongside the daylight American 8th Army Air Force ones, to beat the Germans into submission.  He was proved completely wrong, as were some others who were pro-air power only.

[Banjax]

Is there some sort of Geneva Convention or U.N treaty that dictates we have to police the world? I know this mad dog should'nt be allowed to kill his own innocent people but we're hardly in a position to help. Our armed forces are facing cutbacks whilst already stretched to breaking point & losing lives sorting out other countries messes, we're in a proper 2 & 8 financially & politically with a government headed by two saps who don't have a backbone between them & hate eachother (bet they do really) & it seems we're off to lose more money & lives.

   I know my comments are based on very little knowledge so be gentle with me please but it just does'nt seem to add up somehow. Guy. :-/

are you kidding me? not go? what? and miss out on all those juicy new oil deals?

you're nuts 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Well the real cost of war has commenced, proving buying freedom for others does not come cheap.

Last night apparently 110 Tomahawk missiles were launched from American ships and a British submarine.  I have heard they cost £300,000 apiece.  You can do the sums!

[cem_devecioglu]

Well the real cost of war has commenced, proving buying freedom for others does not come cheap.

Last night apparently 110 Tomahawk missiles were launched from American ships and a British submarine.  I have heard they cost £300,000 apiece.  You can do the sums!

Lizzie, come on.. 

freedom is not an item that can be given..

do you really think bombing a country will give its freedom

[cem_devecioglu]

Well the real cost of war has commenced, proving buying freedom for others does not come cheap.

Last night apparently 110 Tomahawk missiles were launched from American ships and a British submarine.  I have heard they cost £300,000 apiece.  You can do the sums!

Lizzie, come on.. 

freedom is not an item that can be given..

do you really think bombing a country will give its freedom

 

ok.. I like giving nicknames.. so its better I call you Lizzie Boom

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Well the real cost of war has commenced, proving buying freedom for others does not come cheap.

Last night apparently 110 Tomahawk missiles were launched from American ships and a British submarine.  I have heard they cost £300,000 apiece.  You can do the sums!

Lizzie, come on.. 

freedom is not an item that can be given..

do you really think bombing a country will give its freedom

 

ok.. I like giving nicknames.. so its better I call you Lizzie Boom

No. I am afraid it NEVER will Cem   As I have said somewhere on these many Libya threads, never in history has a war been fought and won by air power alone.

In this case we are trying to protect the "rebels" in Libya from a murderous dictator, who Gaddafi is, and letting them do the rest.  As an Libyan exile and writer stated yesterday, the liberation of Libya started 32 days ago with the first uprising of the true people of Libya after their freedom and wanting democracy.

That is how it Must remain as far as I am concerned.  No Allied troops boots must touch Libyan soil in anger.  Leave the rest to the Libyan people.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Is there some sort of Geneva Convention or U.N treaty that dictates we have to police the world? I know this mad dog should'nt be allowed to kill his own innocent people but we're hardly in a position to help. Our armed forces are facing cutbacks whilst already stretched to breaking point & losing lives sorting out other countries messes, we're in a proper 2 & 8 financially & politically with a government headed by two saps who don't have a backbone between them & hate eachother (bet they do really) & it seems we're off to lose more money & lives.

   I know my comments are based on very little knowledge so be gentle with me please but it just does'nt seem to add up somehow. Guy. :-/

We have more forces than often we give ourselves credit for Guy!  We certainly have RAF Tornados and Typhoons spare to get battle experience

However, do not forget this is an international coalition of force.  The French have already sent their aircraft in, and fired destroying a "military vehicle".  The Canadian Air Force will be there too, with our RAF arriving soon.  Aircraft from some Arab countries will also be involved.

The USA will provide back up, but in general we are all letting the French lead on this one. 

So there will be plenty of fire power, and in fact it will be awesome, reflecting the true might of the aircraft being used.

Have you got a hotline to David Cameron or do you really mean to write 'could' or 'maybe'.

I simply have confidence Steve in what has been decided unilaterally today and the international communities fire power, in the form of modern fighters and fighter bombers, let alone all the back up hardware, all being used by highly trained personnel.   

Therefore, as in business, you did not say "could", "maybe", "if", in the boardroom; you had to use positive, highly confident words, reflecting no doubt in your, and your teams, ability to achieve the goals set.  No other option should be available.  I am sure the military commanders are right now using very positive words indeed!

break me! Our war correspondent has morphed into Alan Sugar.

Oh Steve, in business Im could be far more right wing and ruthless than him!   He is a pussy cat compared to me

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Now this is when I get bloody angry!!

Yesterday and before the media, especially the BBC and ITV, were full of stories about Gaddafi evaporating the rebels, and how he had the weapons, so needed to be stopped.  The International community, and crucially the Arab League / African Union were solidly behind military action to rescue the Arab people.  So far so good.

Today though, after the International Coalition have taken decisive action to take out Gaddafi's military hardware, what do we get?

The bloody Arabs saying the coalition have gone further than they agreed to, with the BBC and ITV broadcasting this, along with giving air time to pro-Gaddafi film of "victims" in hospital being treated, and speeches being made by Gaddafi sons / supporters!  All anti the wicked West!! In addition air time has been given now to those of our own nation protesting against war!

EDIT  - CENSORED BY ME!! What was writen here could insult certain people in the world!!

Our brave boys and girls are risking their lives in our aircraft to defend Arab people from Gaddafi, but already the Arab League is changing its mind and criticizing our forces!  Going weak at the knees!  Why didn't they refuse to agree with the action to start with, and then perhaps nothing would have happened apart from Gaddafi killing his own?!

I support the user of military action when it is needed, and especially when it is requested by the people of a country under attack.  Now I say in this instance, stop the air forces gathering and taking any action, with them all going home!  Leave the Libyans and the Arab League to it!

Rant mode off! 8-) 8-)