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[TheBoy]

From a World stability point of view, I'm not sure we should be having so many regime changes in such a short space of time. Whilst I accept that the peoples may want change, and after Tunisia, saw an opportunity, such change in a potentially unstable region, particularly regions were harsh dictatorships have maintained some level of stability, needs to proceed slowly with caution...

[Dishevelled Den]

From a World stability point of view, I'm not sure we should be having so many regime changes in such a short space of time. Whilst I accept that the peoples may want change, and after Tunisia, saw an opportunity, such change in a potentially unstable region, particularly regions were harsh dictatorships have maintained some level of stability, needs to proceed slowly with caution...

particularly regions were harsh dictatorships have maintained some level of stability, needs to proceed slowly with caution

Yes, that's an important point J.

Aside from the humanitarian and moral aspect of this issue our own stability (viewing this in the narrowest sense) depends on the maintenance of the present arrangements there.

Should the UN resolution morph into a ground involvement - which is quite likely despite all the assurances and expressed desires to the contrary - the relative stability of the region will go teats-up. The consequent upward thrust in the cost of the very substance that we depend on so much for running day to day matters here will have real impact on our own circumstances.

There is also the very great danger that such a destabilisation will be used by the enemies of Israel to deal with their perceived 'problem' once and for all - with all the unimaginable consequences that this would bring.

Aside from this, I fear that the ‘Genie’ has now escaped the bottle and that the world now stands closer to the precipice of widespread and prolonged disorder than ever before.

[cem_devecioglu]

I wish to say nice things about freedom and etc etc like Lizzie but those events is another kind..

first this is the war of multinational companies and their owners .. anyone who doesnt believe me check the names and you will see their link to those companies..I really feel bad for young soldiers who will loose their lifes or got nothing except a medal for a  war which is not their responsibility..

uncle sam as usual will gulp all profits in the end where they will try to stop Brits in every way as done before..

[Nickbat]

I wish to say nice things about freedom and etc etc like Lizzie but those events is another kind..

first this is the war of multinational companies and their owners .. anyone who doesnt believe me check the names and you will see their link to those companies..I really feel bad for young soldiers who will loose their lifes or got nothing except a medal for a  war which is not their responsibility..

uncle sam as usual will gulp all profits in the end where they will try to stop Brits in every way as done before..

Cem, your hatred of America and capitalism knows no bounds does it? 

The UN no-fly zone is supported by the African Union and the Arab League and was pushed by France & the UK upon an initially-reluctant US. It IS about saving civilian lives...though whether it will end in success is another matter.  :-/   

[Mysteryman]

Democracy? Strange concept that. Sure, we get to vote once every five years but, once the government is in power, we get no say whatsoever in matters such as Libya. We can do nought but sit and watch developments, and hope our leaders don't make too much of a balls-up.

[Nickbat]

Democracy? Strange concept that. Sure, we get to vote once every five years but, once the government is in power, we get no say whatsoever in matters such as Libya. We can do nought but sit and watch developments, and hope our leaders don't make too much of a balls-up.

We haven't lived in a real democracy for ages. If politicians act as we wish it's by coincidence, not by design. 

[Banjax]

we do live in a democracy, and its pretty insulting to those in the world fighting for basic human rights to suggest otherwise. but by its very nature democracy will first and foremost protect the rich and powerful as they have the loudest and most influential voices, witness the cuts.....sorry...."savings" that are the first to be implemented - benefits, social services, housing, libraries, youth training, homeless programmes, drug rehabs, etc i doubt any politician has ever had need of any of these services and their powerful friends and lobbyists see it as affecting the least likely to vote: the poor, the disenfranchised. witness the constant attacks on benefit cheats by mps, many of whom, lets not forget, fraudulently claimed many thousands more than benefit cheats have access to, even the non-fraudulent cases: multi-millionares claiming mortgage payments they dont need or paying family members tens of thousands for "research" but no, attack the desperate - it plays well to the crowds and helps us forget the real crimes 

the fact that we all of us have the power to remove any government every 4 or 5 years is often overlooked in favour of who smiles best for the cameras 

and yes, the EU is demonstrably un-democratic, but we do have a choice in whose policies we decide best represent us, the fact that most will lie to gain power is another matter, but if they lie boot them out and try someone else 

[albitz]

We have a form of political democracy, a degree of it. But it is a long way from the pure ideal of democracy - the will of the people being paramount.

Getting back to the subject. It seems to me that we are now past the point of no return. The decision has been made to not ignore Gaddafis reaction to the rebels in Libya. He will have to be removed now, by whatever means are available. There is no other option now.
If he isnt, he will massacre the rebels, kick out the western oil companies, and when possible, wreak revenge - probably by funding terrorist campaigns again.
I wonder if he will adapt a scorched earth mentality and start destroying the oilfields?
Funny old world - a couple of months ago he was a reconstructed statesman who was our new best friend. He was even pumping millions into one of our universities - coincidentally, the one his son was awarded a degree from.
Now he was returned to being the worst pariah the civilised world has seen for a long time, and must be dealt with as a matter of urgency.

[cem_devecioglu]

I wish to say nice things about freedom and etc etc like Lizzie but those events is another kind..

first this is the war of multinational companies and their owners .. anyone who doesnt believe me check the names and you will see their link to those companies..I really feel bad for young soldiers who will loose their lifes or got nothing except a medal for a  war which is not their responsibility..

uncle sam as usual will gulp all profits in the end where they will try to stop Brits in every way as done before..

Cem, your hatred of America and capitalism knows no bounds does it? 

The UN no-fly zone is supported by the African Union and the Arab League and was pushed by France & the UK upon an initially-reluctant US. It IS about saving civilian lives...though whether it will end in success is another matter.  :-/   

hatred of America .. wrong, very wrong I'm afraid.. there are mortals and slaves like us ..  problem is the rich vampires there living on wars and human blood

" African Union and the Arab League and was pushed by France & the UK upon an initially-reluctant US.."

very interesting mixture..un-democratic Arab and African countries doesnt disturb west from freedom point of view if they continue to pump oil

and as far as I remember the last time west decided to bring freedom to Iraq they saved more than 1 million lifes   .. isnt it ?

[Banjax]

We have a form of political democracy, a degree of it. But it is a long way from the pure ideal of democracy - the will of the people being paramount.

the last government did their best to chip away at our democracy, removing hard fought rights under the guise of "protecting us" from "terrorists", as a famous man once said tho "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."

[albitz]

I agree. What Bliar and co. did to freedom and democracy in this country was utterly criminal, in fact most of the things they did while in power were utterly criminal imo.
I see Gaddafi has just declared a ceasefire in Libya.The mind games continue.

[Mysteryman]

Cease fire declared. Pity, I thought it might be an interesting weekend. Looks like it's Morrisons again for me.

[Dishevelled Den]

Cease fire declared. Pity, I thought it might be an interesting weekend. Looks like it's Morrisons again for me.

Never mind Steve - there's always next weekend, when Albs comes back from Milan.

[Dishevelled Den]

We have a form of political democracy, a degree of it. But it is a long way from the pure ideal of democracy - the will of the people being paramount.

the last government did their best to chip away at our democracy, removing hard fought rights under the guise of "protecting us" from "terrorists", as a famous man once said tho "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."

I assume you refer to the original purveyor of the sentiments rather than the following one.

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[albitz]

Cease fire declared. Pity, I thought it might be an interesting weekend. Looks like it's Morrisons again for me.

Never mind Steve - there's always next weekend, when Albs comes back from Milan.

Did you have remind me Z ?.....I  have to watch a game of football while Im there.