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[Proz]

Hi all.... looks like i found this forum too late .... i had my cylinder head gasket and timing belt/ tensioners done 2 yrs ago ... the car had only covered 14'000 miles since the change and guess what  Ping goes the belt ...the local garage that did it ( non vauxhall ) have basically washed thier hands and said thats tough ... i thought they would have been a bit more helpfull .... trading standards say they should be responsible .... anyway instead of a long drawn out battle because i need the car on the road i've bought a reconditioned engine with a 6 month warranty ... this engine has done 39'000 so i enquired if the timing belt would be needing changed ....they say no because this will have been done ...would the 6 month warranty cover it if heaven forbid the belt on that goes as well ....

Mark

[jules]

are you certain they changed the tensioners ?

[ians]

..and water pump

[Elite Pete]

For piece of mind I would replace the belt, tensioners and water pump. Better safe than sorry

[Marks DTM Calib]

Hi all.... looks like i found this forum too late .... i had my cylinder head gasket and timing belt/ tensioners done 2 yrs ago ... the car had only covered 14'000 miles since the change and guess what  Ping goes the belt ...the local garage that did it ( non vauxhall ) have basically washed thier hands and said thats tough ... i thought they would have been a bit more helpfull .... trading standards say they should be responsible .... anyway instead of a long drawn out battle because i need the car on the road i've bought a reconditioned engine with a 6 month warranty ... this engine has done 39'000 so i enquired if the timing belt would be needing changed ....they say no because this will have been done ...would the 6 month warranty cover it if heaven forbid the belt on that goes as well ....

Mark

So was it a failing water pump that caused the belt to go?

What year is this 'new' engine from, ideally 1998 onwards to benefit from the balance shafts etc.

I assume the engine is from an Omega or there will be the need to swap sumps, ancillaries and mounts over etc.

[ians]

In the 50k I had my 2L, I did 2 belt changes - and I mean that - no tensioners/pulleys or water pump (per My Haynes who just mentions the belt as a service item).   Think I was very lucky!

[Proz]

Hi all.... looks like i found this forum too late .... i had my cylinder head gasket and timing belt/ tensioners done 2 yrs ago ... the car had only covered 14'000 miles since the change and guess what  Ping goes the belt ...the local garage that did it ( non vauxhall ) have basically washed thier hands and said thats tough ... i thought they would have been a bit more helpfull .... trading standards say they should be responsible .... anyway instead of a long drawn out battle because i need the car on the road i've bought a reconditioned engine with a 6 month warranty ... this engine has done 39'000 so i enquired if the timing belt would be needing changed ....they say no because this will have been done ...would the 6 month warranty cover it if heaven forbid the belt on that goes as well ....

Mark

So was it a failing water pump that caused the belt to go?

What year is this 'new' engine from, ideally 1998 onwards to benefit from the balance shafts etc.

I assume the engine is from an Omega or there will be the need to swap sumps, ancillaries and mounts over etc.

I dont think it was anything other than the belt ... the garage did look at it and said the tensioners / rollers and pump were fine .. it was just the belt that broke .... i did ask the if they were sure the engine came from an Omega... the reply was yes so fingers crossed it should slide straight in

 
Part requested VAUXHALL OMEGA Engine
Quotation from engines uk limited (sales@enginesuk.co.uk)
Telephone 0845 838 7083

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Mileage 39000
Price £275.00
Delivery £25.00
Subtotal £300.00
VAT £52.50
Total £352.50
Warranty 6 Months
Comments  

Quote Brought To You From http://www.findanengine.co.uk

the above is part of the email i got from them .... im now wondering if i should get the pump / belt stuff changed now too... but surely they wouldnt send out a reconditioned engine without doing them would they ??

[ians]

well they are charging you £275.  A belt/tensioner kit and water pump would have cost them around £100 plus fitting.  So are you sure they would have spent that without having had to?

[Proz]

well they are charging you £275.  A belt/tensioner kit and water pump would have cost them around £100 plus fitting.  So are you sure they would have spent that without having had to?

I did ask the woman on the phone about the belt when i paid for it this morning .... she said that the belt would have been done ..... mmmm now im not so sure ... guess i'll maybe give them a call back

[Marks DTM Calib]

Hi all.... looks like i found this forum too late .... i had my cylinder head gasket and timing belt/ tensioners done 2 yrs ago ... the car had only covered 14'000 miles since the change and guess what  Ping goes the belt ...the local garage that did it ( non vauxhall ) have basically washed thier hands and said thats tough ... i thought they would have been a bit more helpfull .... trading standards say they should be responsible .... anyway instead of a long drawn out battle because i need the car on the road i've bought a reconditioned engine with a 6 month warranty ... this engine has done 39'000 so i enquired if the timing belt would be needing changed ....they say no because this will have been done ...would the 6 month warranty cover it if heaven forbid the belt on that goes as well ....

Mark

So was it a failing water pump that caused the belt to go?

What year is this 'new' engine from, ideally 1998 onwards to benefit from the balance shafts etc.

I assume the engine is from an Omega or there will be the need to swap sumps, ancillaries and mounts over etc.

I dont think it was anything other than the belt ... the garage did look at it and said the tensioners / rollers and pump were fine .. it was just the belt that broke .... i did ask the if they were sure the engine came from an Omega... the reply was yes so fingers crossed it should slide straight in

 
Part requested VAUXHALL OMEGA Engine
Quotation from engines uk limited (sales@enginesuk.co.uk)
Telephone 0845 838 7083

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Mileage 39000
Price £275.00
Delivery £25.00
Subtotal £300.00
VAT £52.50
Total £352.50
Warranty 6 Months
Comments  

Quote Brought To You From http://www.findanengine.co.uk

the above is part of the email i got from them .... im now wondering if i should get the pump / belt stuff changed now too... but surely they wouldnt send out a reconditioned engine without doing them would they ??

I dont beleave that for a minute, I am yet to see a belt fail other than due to a tensioner, idler or water pump seizure!

Is that for a second hand engine (I assume it it)

You DO need to know the year of car it came from as there were signifcant changes during production.

[Proz]

im no mechanic but after they left the car at my house i looked at the rollers etc ... they all move freely .. water pump too ... none of them are stuck or dont move ......but then i dont know what to look for ...just spoken to the people about the engine again and they assure me the belt etc will have been done and tested ...  but im not sure about the year ... i did fill out the online form with 1997 2 ltr ecotec automatic .... i hope i'll get the right one now .... maybe i should have just scrapped her  :-/

edit : just spoken to them again and it is from a 97 omega

[jules]

erm  

PLEASE NOTE THIS WARRANTY REFERS TO ENGINES AND GEARBOXES ONLY
Note: THIS WARRANTY IS VOID IF NEW CAM BELTS
ARE NOT FITTED BEFORE RUNNING ENGINE-PROOF OF WHICH MUST BE OBTAINED

from here : http://www.enginesuk.co.uk/?p=p_14&sName=warranty

[Proz]

erm  

PLEASE NOTE THIS WARRANTY REFERS TO ENGINES AND GEARBOXES ONLY
Note: THIS WARRANTY IS VOID IF NEW CAM BELTS
ARE NOT FITTED BEFORE RUNNING ENGINE-PROOF OF WHICH MUST BE OBTAINED

from here : http://www.enginesuk.co.uk/?p=p_14&sName=warranty


OH dear .... wat have i done  

[ians]

I would ask them to confirm in writing that a new cambelt has been fitted (as they told you verbally),  in order that you comply with their warranty in future.

However this isn't really adequate at all - it needs to be the full kit inc water pump as previously discussed, so you would be better off getting yourself a full kit/pump and fitting yourself (easy job on 2L).

[jules]

well they are charging you £275.  A belt/tensioner kit and water pump would have cost them around £100 plus fitting.  So are you sure they would have spent that without having had to?

I did ask the woman on the phone about the belt when i paid for it this morning .... she said that the belt would have been done ..... mmmm now im not so sure ... guess i'll maybe give them a call back

sadly it really doesn't matter whether they have changed the belt or not, what there warranty clearly states is that if you can't prove YOU changed the belt before running the engine, if it snaps within six months their warranty will not be honoured.
rather sneaky really.

Personally I would walk away fro this one, you have rights under the sale of goods (mail order customer not present) to a cooling off period in which to change your mind.

If however you can get an assurance in Writing from them that the belt has been done then they would have to honour their warranty within the six months.




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