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[Kevin Wood]

I see that graph as the same tyre across the range of tread depths.  Anything else is simply 'dangle berries', to be honest.  A hard as nails plastic tyre with full depth versus an almost done super soft sticky tyre on the same surface at the same speed would be a more realistic comparison.  And I would not be surprised if the sticky tyre came out better, to be honest.....

Yep, and the situation would probably swap between wet and dry too, more tread probably overriding most other factors in the wet, or at least with significant standing water.

Tyres really aren't a very easy thing to compare. :-/

EDIT: What Cem said, in fact (faster than me).

Kevin

[hotel21]

I see that graph as the same tyre across the range of tread depths.  Anything else is simply 'dangle berries', to be honest.  A hard as nails plastic tyre with full depth versus an almost done super soft sticky tyre on the same surface at the same speed would be a more realistic comparison.  And I would not be surprised if the sticky tyre came out better, to be honest.....

Yep, and the situation would probably swap between wet and dry too, more tread probably overriding most other factors in the wet, or at least with significant standing water.

Tyres really aren't a very easy thing to compare. :-/

Kevin

Yup....  On a wet surface, tread counts most as it moves the water from the surface to get the rubber to grip.  A tyre on its minimum moves hee haw water and is as good as a slick, hence hydroplaning.

For Cems graph, as said, would really need the same tyre on the same surface at the same speed/loading, the same dry/wet condition, to compare the reletive merits of tyre depth.  Anything else is a massive minefield of conjecture and supposition..... 

[cem_devecioglu]

yep.. and if some wants both comfort and grip  like me    these are the worst customers to satisfy

[cruisetopoland]

I'm no tyre expert, but read the recent Auto Express tyre test  with interest.  This covered dry braking, wet braking, aquaplaning, cornering, wear etc etc-great test.  Continental Contact Premium won.

There were many factors to take into account, the rubber compound, the tread pattern, conditions etc

A premium tyre is expensive for a reason-they come out best; the Wanli they tested was absolutely slated but the tern dangerous was not used possibly due to libel.

As a biker over the year, tyres made a huge difference and I could rate them for each part of their performacnce as it was that noticable, due to the small contact patch.  Stickies were amazing, but wore out in 800 miles, dual compounds (hard centre, sticky edges) were a good compromise between grip and wear, cheapies were terrifying.

My query is whether a new cheapie is similar to a worn premuim?  It is cetainly better in snow and standing water diespersal, but in damp? summer? braking? cornering?

I think I already know the answer.....

[Kevin Wood]

I'm no tyre expert, but read the recent Auto Express tyre test  with interest.  This covered dry braking, wet braking, aquaplaning, cornering, wear etc etc-great test.  Continental Contact Premium won.

There were many factors to take into account, the rubber compound, the tread pattern, conditions etc

A premium tyre is expensive for a reason-they come out best; the Wanli they tested was absolutely slated but the tern dangerous was not used possibly due to libel.

As a biker over the year, tyres made a huge difference and I could rate them for each part of their performacnce as it was that noticable, due to the small contact patch.  Stickies were amazing, but wore out in 800 miles, dual compounds (hard centre, sticky edges) were a good compromise between grip and wear, cheapies were terrifying.

My query is whether a new cheapie is similar to a worn premuim?  It is cetainly better in snow and standing water diespersal, but in damp? summer? braking? cornering?

I think I already know the answer.....

The answer being "It depends"  .

Go more towards the sports / track day tyre end of the range and it gets even worse. You can find road legal tyres that simply don't work at all in the wet and tyres that need a bit of heat in them before they are any good in the dry. Driving style has a lot to do with it then too.

Kevin

[cruisetopoland]

I'm no tyre expert, but read the recent Auto Express tyre test  with interest.  This covered dry braking, wet braking, aquaplaning, cornering, wear etc etc-great test.  Continental Contact Premium won.

There were many factors to take into account, the rubber compound, the tread pattern, conditions etc

A premium tyre is expensive for a reason-they come out best; the Wanli they tested was absolutely slated but the tern dangerous was not used possibly due to libel.

As a biker over the year, tyres made a huge difference and I could rate them for each part of their performacnce as it was that noticable, due to the small contact patch.  Stickies were amazing, but wore out in 800 miles, dual compounds (hard centre, sticky edges) were a good compromise between grip and wear, cheapies were terrifying.

My query is whether a new cheapie is similar to a worn premuim?  It is cetainly better in snow and standing water diespersal, but in damp? summer? braking? cornering?

I think I already know the answer.....

The answer being "It depends"  .

Go more towards the sports / track day tyre end of the range and it gets even worse. You can find road legal tyres that simply don't work at all in the wet and tyres that need a bit of heat in them before they are any good in the dry. Driving style has a lot to do with it then too.

Kevin

The answer is........a decent premium does everything pretty well and gives a good balance of abilities (even if certain brands are biased to be better in some areas) and the cheapy is.....cheap 

[nordic]

I have Goodyear Eagle F1 tyres and they are great - Very quiet.

I did have Michelin Pilot Premacy but they are very expensive!

Had some Avons - dangerous in the wet!

Federal 595's - very noisy but good in wet.

Check 'Autoexpress' online - they have a tyre review which compares cheap and expensive tyres.

It's a very good resource and free.

Andy

[Lee A]

Im just about to replace my tires again, i put 4 Eagle F1 Asymmetric 235/45 17's on in July (£450 fitted) and the rears are down to 1.6mm after 10k miles, the fronts have maybe 3mm on them but tbh i will replace all 4.

They did grip very well when new but as they have gotten closer to the wear limit they do tramline quite badly (and were hopeless in the snow!  )

Im a little bit disappointed i only got 10k out of them, im not sure i use all their performance potential so i think will look for a harder compound tyre next.

Im having a hard time choosing between the Goodyear Excellence £110 fitted each, Vredestein Ultrac Cento £103 or Avon ZV5 £86 fitted. All 3 seem to get decent reviews, im a sucker for tyre design as well, it has to look nice on the car! 

Think i might go for the Vredestein, ive used them before and were excellent, something a bit different too. I would never put cheapo tyres on my car, just not worth it.