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Re: Terrible Wear !
« Reply #30 on: 10 November 2010, 00:32:08 »

Sailed through the MOT today. Tyre wear seems to have been down to a flubbered track rod.

Wheels were realigned, not I'm actually go straight when the steering wheels going straight..o joy.
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Re: Terrible Wear !
« Reply #31 on: 10 November 2010, 01:43:25 »

how do you drive straight ive never been able to get that right in an omega  ;D :y
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Re: Terrible Wear !
« Reply #32 on: 10 November 2010, 13:56:51 »

Straight within 5ft tolerance either way...kinda like a swaying motion.
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Re: Terrible Wear !
« Reply #33 on: 10 November 2010, 18:46:23 »

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Sailed through the MOT today. Tyre wear seems to have been down to a flubbered track rod.

Wheels were realigned, not I'm actually go straight when the steering wheels going straight..o joy.
No, if your tyres were wearing on inner edge, that is camber. Only camber. Sorry.
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Re: Terrible Wear !
« Reply #34 on: 10 November 2010, 18:58:23 »

when it comes to tracking if your wheels "toe in" it wears outer edge and if your wheels "toe out" it wears inner edge  ::)
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Re: Terrible Wear !
« Reply #35 on: 10 November 2010, 19:36:39 »

If the track rod was flubbered, pushing the RH wheel out of alignment, would that not have the same effect. The left hand tyre was generally ok...just worn down throughout.

I thought, perhaps wrongly, that a track rod helps to keep a wheel running true and if it fails or is set wrong then the wheels will not sit correctly or "run inline together".
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Re: Terrible Wear !
« Reply #36 on: 10 November 2010, 20:57:48 »

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when it comes to tracking if your wheels "toe in" it wears outer edge and if your wheels "toe out" it wears inner edge  ::)
IIRC the book of lies used to include a set of pictures showing tyre wear. There was probably an example of what you have described but the pictures were of skinny cross ply tyres.

Tracking bad enough to cause the inner edge wear that Omegas are prone to with modern tyres would result in truly horrible steering.

I drove an Omega for several years and paid for '4 wheel alignment' by people who should have known better but didn't discover the cause of my tyre wear until I joined OOF fairly recently.

Tracking is important but camber is the thing that destroys Omega tyres and almost no-one (with the notable exception of WIM) can be trusted to get it right. >:(
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Re: Terrible Wear !
« Reply #37 on: 11 November 2010, 18:35:48 »

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when it comes to tracking if your wheels "toe in" it wears outer edge and if your wheels "toe out" it wears inner edge  ::)
Not shoulder edge wear ;)
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« Reply #38 on: 12 November 2010, 00:53:42 »

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when it comes to tracking if your wheels "toe in" it wears outer edge and if your wheels "toe out" it wears inner edge  ::)
IIRC the book of lies used to include a set of pictures showing tyre wear. There was probably an example of what you have described but the pictures were of skinny cross ply tyres.

Tracking bad enough to cause the inner edge wear that Omegas are prone to with modern tyres would result in truly horrible steering.

I drove an Omega for several years and paid for '4 wheel alignment' by people who should have known better but didn't discover the cause of my tyre wear until I joined OOF fairly recently.

Tracking is important but camber is the thing that destroys Omega tyres and almost no-one (with the notable exception of WIM) can be trusted to get it right. >:(
well if your refering to an haynes manual Ive never looked in 1 i get my knowlegde from experience and after owning just about every car vauxhall have made between 1980-2000 (in excess of 300) with wheels ranging from 145x55x13 upto 345x25x20 i know quite well about tyre wear from the road and the track and the skid pan and from what is described sounds like a tracking issue but looking at my screen i could be wrong i cant see the tyre in question from here  :P
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Re: Terrible Wear !
« Reply #39 on: 12 November 2010, 00:58:43 »

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when it comes to tracking if your wheels "toe in" it wears outer edge and if your wheels "toe out" it wears inner edge  ::)
Not shoulder edge wear ;)
now shoulder edge wear is a whole different ball game usually caused by weak springs or too much lowering which causes bad camber also steering idler arms cause shoulder wear along with failed wheel bearings  8-)
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Re: Terrible Wear !
« Reply #40 on: 12 November 2010, 15:38:48 »

Duggs, trust me, you need to get a full geometry check done by WIM or one of the franchises ASAP :y :y
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Re: Terrible Wear !
« Reply #41 on: 13 November 2010, 15:54:56 »

does anyone know a reliable place in or near glasgow to have a geometric check done?
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Re: Terrible Wear !
« Reply #42 on: 14 November 2010, 11:54:07 »

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when it comes to tracking if your wheels "toe in" it wears outer edge and if your wheels "toe out" it wears inner edge  ::)
Not shoulder edge wear ;)
now shoulder edge wear is a whole different ball game usually caused by weak springs or too much lowering which causes bad camber also steering idler arms cause shoulder wear along with failed wheel bearings  8-)
Everything on the car will wear over time, plus Vauxhalls awful factory spec (too wide, and mid point gives too much camber), but the wear is pretty irrelevant - its how the car sits with those components.

In this case, it is most definately CAMBER - I've seen the car ;)


To be honest, with Omega, a variety of things come together (age, poor factory spec, the fact most will have had new suspension components, wear etc) making tracking a waste of time and money.  Full geometry (about double cost of tracking) is the sensible option :y


Lastly, not a fault with tracking, but the monkeys at tyre places, Omega has steering box, not rack, and this MUST be central, as I'm sure you know. Shame the monkeys don't, so I'd always use a geometry specialist on that basis alone.



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