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[fattyfattyboomalatty]

Dave, I was always lead to believe that an officers version of events would be the true one but mine simply wasnt. Remember just because he is a police officer he is not always right. if you believe you have done nothing wrong you need legal advice and dangerous driving is an offence for which you get free legal advice. so do it quickly.

James, I only wanted him to PM me as I cant remember the cops surname only his first which I wont post on here.

[OOMV6]

How about calming and stopping the speculation? Understand that all are trying to help, give the benefit of our experiences, which is a great OOF thing, but if I were the OP I might wish I'd never posted anything and just sit back until more information comes to light. Seems it's getting all a bit tense.
What's done is done, and what will happen ... well .... nobody knows yet.

Note to Blackviper - good luck with it. Chances are very little will happen

[blackviper90210]

Dave, I was always lead to believe that an officers version of events would be the true one but mine simply wasnt. Remember just because he is a police officer he is not always right. if you believe you have done nothing wrong you need legal advice and dangerous driving is an offence for which you get free legal advice. so do it quickly.

James, I only wanted him to PM me as I cant remember the cops surname only his first which I wont post on here.

Now that I didn't know about!

[Vamps]

Dave, I was always lead to believe that an officers version of events would be the true one but mine simply wasnt. Remember just because he is a police officer he is not always right. if you believe you have done nothing wrong you need legal advice and dangerous driving is an offence for which you get free legal advice. so do it quickly.

James, I only wanted him to PM me as I cant remember the cops surname only his first which I wont post on here.

Now that I didn't know about!

Neither did I, not sure that is right, guess you will find out though........

[blackviper90210]

How about calming and stopping the speculation? Understand that all are trying to help, give the benefit of our experiences, which is a great OOF thing, but if I were the OP I might wish I'd never posted anything and just sit back until more information comes to light. Seems it's getting all a bit tense.
What's done is done, and what will happen ... well .... nobody knows yet.

Note to Blackviper - good luck with it. Chances are very little will happen

I appreciate where your coming from, but so far, because of my original post I have had pointers on websites that will offer help and fellow OOfer's who are in the know and who have offered their expertise.  Had I not posted, I'd be worse off, IMO.

At the end of the day I listen to any advice I'm given as it's given with the best of intentions and with the benefit of that persons life experience. On top of all that, I have the last decision on whether I take, leave it or do nothing. Either way, I am grateful

I'm not knocking your post as such, just pointing out why I posted in the first place

And thank you for your support too, much appreciated mate

[JamesV6CDX]

if an off duty Police Officer (I appreciate they are never off duty as such, much like me) can take such actions without supporting evidence / witness etc they could say almost anything

Very true, but ultimately, if said officer was a  bad apple, they wouldn't give a monkeys about fabricating / stretching the truth about something which they saw ON duty... so being off duty probably wouldn't have much distinction, in that instance..

I guess, in the same principle, any member of public could walk into a Police station and provide a statement / make a potentially false allegation against someone for a criminal offence. They'd then be interviewed / possibly arrested etc, but not actually considered Guilty until they plead, or are tried and found to be guility..

So I guess it's the same, if an off duty PC sees something he believe's to be amiss, and provides a statement. Just becuase the PC believe's it's wrong / an offence, doesn't mean it definitely is, as That's a decision that's in the hands of the beak...

It's also worth considering that, just because the guy is a copper, he still has the right to make a statement to Police if he believe's he is the victim of an offence. By retrospectively making a statement, and getting someone else to do the interview, rather than pulling out a warrant card and nicking Dave on the spot, you could argue he has done the correct thing, in order to avoid a conflict of interest..

This is all academic, though. The only thing that matters here, is that the correct evidence is presented to the court from both sides, and that the right decision is reached..

[blackviper90210]

if an off duty Police Officer (I appreciate they are never off duty as such, much like me) can take such actions without supporting evidence / witness etc they could say almost anything

Very true, but ultimately, if said officer was a  bad apple, they wouldn't give a monkeys about fabricating / stretching the truth about something which they saw ON duty... so being off duty probably wouldn't have much distinction, in that instance..

I guess, in the same principle, any member of public could walk into a Police station and a statement / make a potentially false allegation against someone for a criminal offence. They'd then be interviewed / possibly arrested etc, but not actually considered Guilty until they plead, or are tried and found to be guility..

So I guess it's the same, if an off duty PC sees something he believe's to be amiss, and provides a statement. Just becuase the PC believe's it's wrong / an offence, doesn't mean it definitely is, as That's a decision that's in the hands of the beak...

It's also worth considering that, just because the guy is a copper, he still has the right to make a statement to Police if he believe's he is the victim of an offence. By retrospectively making a statement, and getting someone else to do the interview, rather than pulling out a warrant card and nicking Dave on the spot, you could argue he has done the correct thing, in order to avoid a conflict of interest..

This is all academic, though. The only thing that matters here, is that the correct evidence is presented to the court from both sides, and that the right decision is reached..

Good point...... not looked at it that way

[OOMV6]

How about calming and stopping the speculation? Understand that all are trying to help, give the benefit of our experiences, which is a great OOF thing, but if I were the OP I might wish I'd never posted anything and just sit back until more information comes to light. Seems it's getting all a bit tense.
What's done is done, and what will happen ... well .... nobody knows yet.

Note to Blackviper - good luck with it. Chances are very little will happen

I appreciate where your coming from, but so far, because of my original post I have had pointers on websites that will offer help and fellow OOfer's who are in the know and who have offered their expertise.  Had I not posted, I'd be worse off, IMO.

At the end of the day I listen to any advice I'm given as it's given with the best of intentions and with the benefit of that persons life experience. On top of all that, I have the last decision on whether I take, leave it or do nothing. Either way, I am grateful

I'm not knocking your post as such, just pointing out why I posted in the first place

And thank you for your support too, much appreciated mate

Certainly understand and respect why you posted (would have done the same thing myself) - and can also see that you have lots of potentially valuable advice. All good stuff. Just "felt" a bit doom and gloomy from some of the posts, when it could all turn out to be very little. And of course, the decision(s) lie with you.
Guess I was just trying to say, "hey mate, don't worry about it too much right now". In fact don't worry about it at all. Worry is a useless emotion 

[blackviper90210]

How about calming and stopping the speculation? Understand that all are trying to help, give the benefit of our experiences, which is a great OOF thing, but if I were the OP I might wish I'd never posted anything and just sit back until more information comes to light. Seems it's getting all a bit tense.
What's done is done, and what will happen ... well .... nobody knows yet.

Note to Blackviper - good luck with it. Chances are very little will happen

I appreciate where your coming from, but so far, because of my original post I have had pointers on websites that will offer help and fellow OOfer's who are in the know and who have offered their expertise.  Had I not posted, I'd be worse off, IMO.

At the end of the day I listen to any advice I'm given as it's given with the best of intentions and with the benefit of that persons life experience. On top of all that, I have the last decision on whether I take, leave it or do nothing. Either way, I am grateful

I'm not knocking your post as such, just pointing out why I posted in the first place

And thank you for your support too, much appreciated mate

Certainly understand and respect why you posted (would have done the same thing myself) - and can also see that you have lots of potentially valuable advice. All good stuff. Just "felt" a bit doom and gloomy from some of the posts, when it could all turn out to be very little. And of course, the decision(s) lie with you.
Guess I was just trying to say, "hey mate, don't worry about it too much right now". In fact don't worry about it at all. Worry is a useless emotion 

Trying not too, just some days it's easier than others      Just had a rough week and to top it all my little boy broke his collar bone last night....so I'm a bit grumpy, sorry

Cheers again though


Ps. Wish I was back in Germany. Loved Christmas in Trier, the markets are amazing. Will have to go back one day 

[fattyfattyboomalatty]

well I got free legal advice for dangerous driving even though it was reduced to careless. check it out online mate. careless or undue care do not but dangerous driving qualifies for free legal advice and representation.

[Brikhead]

I can't understand how they can take it this far considering it's just one word against another. There is no other witnesses, no video footage etc??

I can't believe you've gotten to the age of 40 without realizing how these things work! I had it sussed from the age of around 14.
It's not 'just one word against another', it's your word against a Police Officer's, a Magistrate will nearly always side with the police.

If all else fails, I'll make it worth while if they decide to find me guilty. Never been one for going down quietly. If they think a stuck up bloke wearing a girls wig who knows nothing about me, bothers me.... I'll take him out on a tour of Helmand the next time I go.... I'll take the copper too and use him as a mine detector!
That copper is making my blood boil...argghhhhhhhhhhhh.......

Mate, if you go into court with that attitude then you probably will get sent down for contempt, as said, wear your best clothes and don't forget to thank the Magistrates for your points and fine and also apologize for taking up their valuable time.

[Entwood]

Dave, I was always lead to believe that an officers version of events would be the true one but mine simply wasnt. Remember just because he is a police officer he is not always right. if you believe you have done nothing wrong you need legal advice and dangerous driving is an offence for which you get free legal advice. so do it quickly.

James, I only wanted him to PM me as I cant remember the cops surname only his first which I wont post on here.

Now that I didn't know about!

As far as I am aware, and I do little magistrates court work these days, Dangerous Driving is one of the offences you are entitled to speak to the Duty Solicitor about if/when you attend court for your first hearing, or if you attend a Police Station to give a formal interview.

If memory serves me correctly any offence that carries the potential sentence of custody applies.

At the Police Station Formal Interview, the first part of the interview will be the explanation of the Caution, the information about Free Legal Advice, and the explanation about the tapes. If you opt for the legal advice the duty solicitor will be given "disclosure" by the interviewing officer. You are at liberty to ask for that in writing. The "disclosure" details exactly what they wish to interview you about, and as such stops them "fishing" or info.

[blackviper90210]

I can't understand how they can take it this far considering it's just one word against another. There is no other witnesses, no video footage etc??

I can't believe you've gotten to the age of 40 without realizing how these things work! I had it sussed from the age of around 14.
It's not 'just one word against another', it's your word against a Police Officer's, a Magistrate will nearly always side with the police.

If all else fails, I'll make it worth while if they decide to find me guilty. Never been one for going down quietly. If they think a stuck up bloke wearing a girls wig who knows nothing about me, bothers me.... I'll take him out on a tour of Helmand the next time I go.... I'll take the copper too and use him as a mine detector!
That copper is making my blood boil...argghhhhhhhhhhhh.......

Mate, if you go into court with that attitude then you probably will get sent down for contempt, as said, wear your best clothes and don't forget to thank the Magistrates for your points and fine and also apologize for taking up their valuable time.

Your dead right and I wouldn't actually do it, although I'd love to.  I'll be in a suit and tie, that goes without saying, but there is no way I'm going to take this without a fight. I'm NOT guilty of the offence and I'll stand in court and plead my defence.   But on your last point, I agree with you, it would be respectful to do so, as they represent the law of the land

[Lazydocker]

Get legal representation. Look into the advice given here WRT free representation

Most of all take a breath and keep calm, you mustn't let your emotions cloud your judgement. I know that's easy to say when you aren't on the receiving end of this treatment, but you must be calm and collected. As said (and pretty obvious IMHO) best suit and tie, polite and courteous at all times

[dad1uk]

Surely you will still be entitled to free advice from a solicitor, don't they give the 1st half hour free?
If not how about the legal side of Citizens Advice. they may help.....