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14 (30.4%)

no

29 (63%)

undecided

3 (6.5%)

Total Members Voted: 38

Voting closed: 29 November 2011, 19:36:51

[Marks DTM Calib]

Anyone on here got young kids? Do you want a 66 year old teaching them? Having to pop off for a wee-wee every five minutes and forgetting their teeth in the morning

Why not ,thats whats going to be happening to your Mechanic, painter, plumber, carer etc etc etc.

Yes, but do you want it to happen? I know I don't. It's the same old stuff, like the PFI scandal on BBC 1 last night, as long as it doesn't affect the current government, we can deal with it later. There are a few at my son's school reaching retirement age (60) and they have no interest in doing anything but the bare minimum. Hardly conducive to a 'good' education.
As for mechanics, painters, etc., we have a choice whether to use them or not, not so for teachers or nurses.

No bothered to be honest.

I was taught by a 60 year old some 30 years ago and things have improved in health care considerably since.= so dont see it being a big deal.

They HAVE to work to work to the same age as the rest of us.

[STMO123]

Jacking up tax would be career suicide, of course.. lets face it, in the face if needing to raise billions, they've already called off the tax rise on petrol (which would have raised quite a bit of money for the exchequer, I'm sure)..

They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

"LOWER TAXES!" people shout.
"HIGHER PENSIONS/PAY!" people shout.

Hm.. we should just plant a few magical money trees and solve everything, clearly

There's a job at the treasury for you, my boy

[aaronjb]

There's a job at the treasury for you, my boy

I'll only take it if I get a final salary pension... 

[STMO123]

Anyone on here got young kids? Do you want a 66 year old teaching them? Having to pop off for a wee-wee every five minutes and forgetting their teeth in the morning

Why not ,thats whats going to be happening to your Mechanic, painter, plumber, carer etc etc etc.

Yes, but do you want it to happen? I know I don't. It's the same old stuff, like the PFI scandal on BBC 1 last night, as long as it doesn't affect the current government, we can deal with it later. There are a few at my son's school reaching retirement age (60) and they have no interest in doing anything but the bare minimum. Hardly conducive to a 'good' education.
As for mechanics, painters, etc., we have a choice whether to use them or not, not so for teachers or nurses.

No bothered to be honest.

I was taught by a 60 year old some 30 years ago and things have improved in health care considerably since.= so dont see it being a big deal.

They HAVE to work to work to the same age as the rest of us.

I'm afraid that arguement doesn't hold water. 60 is not 68 and you didn't have yumin rights. It's a bit like saying 'I was beaten regularly with a big stick and it never did me any harm'. A different world, old man

[Varche]

I am firmly against the strike. For a start, it won't achieve anything, other than cause great inconvenience and a missed day's pay for many.

There is simply no way that the public sector can avoid facing the realities of declining number of workers paying into schemes against an increase in the number drawing from them. It is unsustainable. Furthermore, private sector pensions have suffered greatly (my pot has fallen in value), so why shouldn't public sector workers face the same? Why should they think they are in some way more entitled to benefits than private sector workers? 

Nick, that takes the biscuit. Your pension pot has declined through the crass stupidity of a few in the banking system. Your pension is based on stocks and shares. The public sector workers is based on - years worked for that outfit and final salary. If the situation was reversed and folk with pension pots got great returns (through some magic of the markets)  would the public sector people be up in arms about it? Don't think so.

I keep saying this and the point is missed. Career folk (those that workj in an industry all their lives) look at what reward they get for their graft ( and we have to assume everyone is managed properly) That reward is pay , hours, sick pay, jollies, xmas parties, company freebies, pension and so on. You make a decision and if you are far sighted then the boat comes in when (if) you reach retirement age. Earlier someone said that public and private sector "pay" was roughly equal a few years ago. So something changed recently. People will say that was Labour allowing better than average pay rises. Who voted them in to allow that regime? err the people, just the same as they voted an equally inept bunch in this time.

[albitz]

Private sector pension pots declined when Brown plundered them to finance his huge job creation scam in the public sector - long before the banking crisis. Private sector pensions are paid according to the amount of money available from the individuals pot - there is no other way of paying it. Public sector pensions should be paid on the same basis - the only other way is to take it from other people (the ever shrinking private sector),or borrow it to be repaid by future generations.
Final salary schemes were all but abolished in the private sector years ago and the same needs to happen in the public sector. The previous govt. made promises  to their union paymasters that the country could never afford to keep,its time for someone to have the guts to tell them the truth.
Those who made career decisions in the private sector have had the goalposts moved and the promises broken during their working lives due to economic reality - its now the turn of the public sector. Its nothing to do with envy whatsoever,but evrything to do with a sense of overall fair play and a concept of the real world we live in.
The level of debt this country has is terrifying - it needs to be sorted.
If Labour were in power at the moment they would either be doing the same as this lot - or much worse,lying to everyone again and storing up huge problems for the future - just to keep the party coffers swelling with union money.
And btw - Im not an old Thatcherite blah blah....Ive never voted Tory in my life.

[STMO123]

Private sector pension pots declined when Brown plundered them to finance his huge job creation scam in the public sector - long before the banking crisis. Private sector pensions are paid according to the amount of money available from the individuals pot - there is no other way of paying it. Public sector pensions should be paid on the same basis - the only other way is to take it from other people (the ever shrinking private sector),or borrow it to be repaid by future generations.
Final salary schemes were all but abolished in the private sector years ago and the same needs to happen in the public sector. The previous govt. made promises  to their union paymasters that the country could never afford to keep,its time for someone to have the guts to tell them the truth.
Those who made career decisions in the private sector have had the goalposts moved and the promises broken during their working lives due to economic reality - its now the turn of the public sector. Its nothing to do with envy whatsoever,but evrything to do with a sense of overall fair play and a concept of the real world we live in.
The level of debt this country has is terrifying - it needs to be sorted.
If Labour were in power at the moment they would either be doing the same as this lot - or much worse,lying to everyone again and storing up huge problems for the future - just to keep the party coffers swelling with union money.
And btw - Im not an old Thatcherite blah blah....Ive never voted Tory in my life.

Oh God! Is that you logged on for 15 hours while you're at.............work?

[albitz]

Nah,night off tonight Steve.Will be logged in for 15 hours tomorrow night though,Im sure you will be pleased to know.

[STMO123]

Nah,night off tonight Steve.Will be logged in for 15 hours tomorrow night though,Im sure you will be pleased to know.

That's even better than a public sector job. Get paid to spout shite for 15 hours.

[ngrainqey]

IMHO... the strike action is a load of bullocks....
they're complaining at the moment about a 1% paycut for 2 years... try having no payrises for 4 years! we got a 1% payrise and today announced we get another 2% payrise from the 1st december

we didnt go on strike at any time in the last 4 years, they should think themselves lucky... they get paid out of our pockets, get their pensions out of our pockets and they expect us like usual to make up the difference for them to have a better pension

my pension isnt index linked so i have to pay in alot to get a decent pension by the time im 60 etc as it'll have lost so much value!

anyway thats my £2 worth lol
Alex

[STMO123]

IMHO... the strike action is a load of bullocks....
they're complaining at the moment about a 1% paycut for 2 years... try having no payrises for 4 years! we got a 1% payrise and today announced we get another 2% payrise from the 1st december

we didnt go on strike at any time in the last 4 years, they should think themselves lucky... they get paid out of our pockets, get their pensions out of our pockets and they expect us like usual to make up the difference for them to have a better pension

my pension isnt index linked so i have to pay in alot to get a decent pension by the time im 60 etc as it'll have lost so much value!

anyway thats my £2 worth lol
Alex

Poor Alex

[albitz]

Nah,night off tonight Steve.Will be logged in for 15 hours tomorrow night though,Im sure you will be pleased to know.

That's even better than a public sector job. Get paid to spout shite for 15 hours.

Oh I dunno,teachers also get paid to spout shite. Never seen one do a 15 hour shift though.

[STMO123]

Nah,night off tonight Steve.Will be logged in for 15 hours tomorrow night though,Im sure you will be pleased to know.

That's even better than a public sector job. Get paid to spout shite for 15 hours.

Oh I dunno,teachers also get paid to spout shite. Never seen one do a 15 hour shift though.

Yours obviously did. Where was that exactly? Ballykissarsehole?

[Stan_2]

They say there is not enough money in the pension pot, fair enough. All public sector have got to have a cut back on pensions.

Does that include politicians? No, why not?

Are they not public sector workers?

If I remember rightly they are on a fair old screw when they retire.........

[albitz]

Very good point Stan. Despite the fact that we are all supposed to be in this together that shower of shite in Westminster havent cut back their pay or pensions by a single penny. They are (supposedly) public servants, so should apply the same cutbacks to themselves that they are applying to the rest of the public sector.