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[Vamps]

True enough, but narrower tyres work better on snow.

Agreed.... is this the reason we have so many more problems with snow than in the 60's/70's and earlier, when we regularly had snow in the winter and most car tyres were 145/13 or thereabouts

[smithpa7]

True enough, but narrower tyres work better on snow.

I can understand that but we will probably have 3 days of snow a year so I could sacrifice un petit bit of ultimateness in snow for the rest of the winter where it is just a little frosty / cold.

As said, it is all relative to current experience...

Back on track of the post - any suggestions / experiences of a 225/55/16 winter (ish) tyre.

Nokian WR A3 has also been suggested to me.

I am currently using Kumho KW27 (iZen) in this size on the BMW. Last year the BMW was absolutely useless with all year tyres. I have driven many miles tonight in the snow and ice and the traction, grip (during cornering and braking) is a revelation
 I never thought the Bavarian Muck Wagon would ever see snow and ice again.
 From my experience I can recommend these tyres

[i260]

True enough, but narrower tyres work better on snow.

I can understand that but we will probably have 3 days of snow a year so I could sacrifice un petit bit of ultimateness in snow for the rest of the winter where it is just a little frosty / cold.

As said, it is all relative to current experience...

Back on track of the post - any suggestions / experiences of a 225/55/16 winter (ish) tyre.

Nokian WR A3 has also been suggested to me.

I am currently using Kumho KW27 (iZen) in this size on the BMW. Last year the BMW was absolutely useless with all year tyres. I have driven many miles tonight in the snow and ice and the traction, grip (during cornering and braking) is a revelation
 I never thought the Bavarian Muck Wagon would ever see snow and ice again.
 From my experience I can recommend these tyres

What are the izen like on just cold / frosty / low temp greasy roads??

[cem_devecioglu]

True enough, but narrower tyres work better on snow.

I can understand that but we will probably have 3 days of snow a year so I could sacrifice un petit bit of ultimateness in snow for the rest of the winter where it is just a little frosty / cold.

As said, it is all relative to current experience...

Back on track of the post - any suggestions / experiences of a 225/55/16 winter (ish) tyre.

Nokian WR A3 has also been suggested to me.

I am currently using Kumho KW27 (iZen) in this size on the BMW. Last year the BMW was absolutely useless with all year tyres. I have driven many miles tonight in the snow and ice and the traction, grip (during cornering and braking) is a revelation
 I never thought the Bavarian Muck Wagon would ever see snow and ice again.
 From my experience I can recommend these tyres

What are the izen like on just cold / frosty / low temp greasy roads??

there are 4 different (actually 2) izen models .. kw19,kw22,kw23(better- same-similiar design) , kw27 (directed towards performance)

[i260]

As far as I can see here in the UK there is only the option of the 27 hence I refer only to the izen meaning the 27.

Look Cem - I guess you are meaning well but you are not really contributing much in the way of constructiveness to this thread, just taking it off in some random directions. Can you please get off that high horse, remove that chip from your shoulder and understand what the actual requirement of a thread is for. Thanks - I'm off.

[cem_devecioglu]

As far as I can see here in the UK there is only the option of the 27 hence I refer only to the izen meaning the 27.

Look Cem - I guess you are meaning well but you are not really contributing much in the way of constructiveness to this thread, just taking it off in some random directions. Can you please get off that high horse, remove that chip from your shoulder and understand what the actual requirement of a thread is for. Thanks - I'm off.

tried to help.. but there are fix things in your mind.. 

[smithpa7]

True enough, but narrower tyres work better on snow.

I can understand that but we will probably have 3 days of snow a year so I could sacrifice un petit bit of ultimateness in snow for the rest of the winter where it is just a little frosty / cold.

As said, it is all relative to current experience...

Back on track of the post - any suggestions / experiences of a 225/55/16 winter (ish) tyre.

Nokian WR A3 has also been suggested to me.

I am currently using Kumho KW27 (iZen) in this size on the BMW. Last year the BMW was absolutely useless with all year tyres. I have driven many miles tonight in the snow and ice and the traction, grip (during cornering and braking) is a revelation
 I never thought the Bavarian Muck Wagon would ever see snow and ice again.
 From my experience I can recommend these tyres

What are the izen like on just cold / frosty / low temp greasy roads??

They are a massive improvement over traditional all season tyres, in all of the aforementioned conditions.
 I took the Omega out for a run a couple of weeks ago when it was just above freezing and the roads were wet. It did slide around a fair bit( i was pushing it). I then did the same in the BMW and it did feel remarkably stable in comparison. I only speak from experience, others may feel differently? Good luck in the search

[Rods2]

As far as I can see here in the UK there is only the option of the 27 hence I refer only to the izen meaning the 27.

Look Cem - I guess you are meaning well but you are not really contributing much in the way of constructiveness to this thread, just taking it off in some random directions. Can you please get off that high horse, remove that chip from your shoulder and understand what the actual requirement of a thread is for. Thanks - I'm off.

I have always found cem very friendly, helpful and constructive and a credit to this forum and has provided much sound, constructive and helpful advice which has helped many, many members. He is trying to point out that cold weather grip in snow is down to psi and by this I don't mean air pressure, but pounds per square inch contact patch pressure. With a higher contact pressure, the tyre will cut through the snow better, due to pressure but also instant heat generated on the same principle that an ice skate works like this by momentarily causing the ice to melt. Please don't forget that the space saver tyre is only 195, so can be used on the car.

As he lives in a heavy snow area in winter in Turkey, he is giving up his free time to help you and to give you the benefit of his experience. You are perfectly entitled to take his advice or not under the old adage "that advice is worth what you have paid for it". But personally when somebody is trying to help you, but not giving you what you want to hear, I would personally ask you to please not throw your toys out of your pram as it is IMHO against the OOFers ethos where we are all trying to help each other. 

[sticka_v8_init]

ok 225 size
 
test order
 
best for ice (ice+snow, wet perf weak)
contiicecontact
nokian hakkapelita 7
nokian wrA3
extreme(goodyear)
 
combined (ice+snow+wet)
dunlop 4d
goodyear ultragrip performance 2
conti TS830
ps: important those tires with combined option is really weak on (pure) ice compared to ice models perf rating nearly (1/4, 1/5) 

Some good info there CEM. Reckon you've had worse conditions than us so experience to back it up mate

[cem_devecioglu]

thanks for the support

[Kevin Wood]

I have always found cem very friendly, helpful and constructive.....

As he lives in a heavy snow area in winter in Turkey, he is giving up his free time to help you and to give you the benefit of his experience. You are perfectly entitled to take his advice or not under the old adage "that advice is worth what you have paid for it". But personally when somebody is trying to help you, but not giving you what you want to hear, I would personally ask you to please not throw your toys out of your pram as it is IMHO against the OOFers ethos where we are all trying to help each other. 

Agreed.

does anybody have ACTUAL experience of running Winter or All-Weather tyres on their Mig??

Seems to me that Cem was right on the money, answering the OP's question.

[Zippy2012]

Ive got nokian wr tyres on my pug 106 excellent in the snow last year, ive run them all year & even last 2days no probz & are wearing very well... only 2mm worn over 8000miles  so i would reccomend the nokians if they do them in your size!!

On my mig mv6 ive got 17" alloys mitchelin pilot alpines on the rear, Hankook icebear on front & both work well even tho the rears have only 3mm of tread!!

But my favourite tyre has to be the Dunlop sp3 all season tyres (NEW STYLE D4) ive had them on my renault traffic 215 65 16 & laguna never had any issues with them... did 30k on last set on the laguna 150bhp model in 215 55 16s

On my Gfs BMW 318is ive fitted verdestine on front & goodyear ultragrip in a 215 55 16 & she says the goodyear rears are very good as they are new but the verdestine with 5mm good in snow & good in wet but useless on standing water as not directional!!!

i run winter tyres all year round because in the summer they are soft enough to grip the roads (ok do wear more), great for when a odd 30sec downpoor on a dry road when road is greasy still grip.. wet grass.. heavy rain dispurse water really well due to the extra little grippers on tread & obviously like now you dont get caught out if snow falls!!

But there are plenty of part worn garages around the country!! most stocking 5mm tread tyres for under £35 fitted & a new winter with 8mm will easy be £100 a corner! so save sum money mate!

i can souce part worns any size any type from my 20+ contacts but due to weather most garages will put prices up & most will be out of stock...

For the amount of use they will get ide fit a good matching pair on each axel (Directional on fronts for standing water) on partworns ive never had any probs... u can get a set for around £120 better than £400ish

Mainly because Germany switzerland etc have different laws on there tyre legal limits & they are imported over here with plenty of life left in them  most of them really good winter tyres!!

The choice is endless really but ive found some cheep winters better than the most exspensive premium tyres!!

[albitz]

As far as I can see here in the UK there is only the option of the 27 hence I refer only to the izen meaning the 27.

Look Cem - I guess you are meaning well but you are not really contributing much in the way of constructiveness to this thread, just taking it off in some random directions. Can you please get off that high horse, remove that chip from your shoulder and understand what the actual requirement of a thread is for. Thanks - I'm off.

I have always found cem very friendly, helpful and constructive and a credit to this forum and has provided much sound, constructive and helpful advice which has helped many, many members. He is trying to point out that cold weather grip in snow is down to psi and by this I don't mean air pressure, but pounds per square inch contact patch pressure. With a higher contact pressure, the tyre will cut through the snow better, due to pressure but also instant heat generated on the same principle that an ice skate works like this by momentarily causing the ice to melt. Please don't forget that the space saver tyre is only 195, so can be used on the car.

As he lives in a heavy snow area in winter in Turkey, he is giving up his free time to help you and to give you the benefit of his experience. You are perfectly entitled to take his advice or not under the old adage "that advice is worth what you have paid for it". But personally when somebody is trying to help you, but not giving you what you want to hear, I would personally ask you to please not throw your toys out of your pram as it is IMHO against the OOFers ethos where we are all trying to help each other. 

Nicely put Rod.

[Lazydocker]

As far as I can see here in the UK there is only the option of the 27 hence I refer only to the izen meaning the 27.

Look Cem - I guess you are meaning well but you are not really contributing much in the way of constructiveness to this thread, just taking it off in some random directions. Can you please get off that high horse, remove that chip from your shoulder and understand what the actual requirement of a thread is for. Thanks - I'm off.

I have always found cem very friendly, helpful and constructive and a credit to this forum and has provided much sound, constructive and helpful advice which has helped many, many members. He is trying to point out that cold weather grip in snow is down to psi and by this I don't mean air pressure, but pounds per square inch contact patch pressure. With a higher contact pressure, the tyre will cut through the snow better, due to pressure but also instant heat generated on the same principle that an ice skate works like this by momentarily causing the ice to melt. Please don't forget that the space saver tyre is only 195, so can be used on the car.

As he lives in a heavy snow area in winter in Turkey, he is giving up his free time to help you and to give you the benefit of his experience. You are perfectly entitled to take his advice or not under the old adage "that advice is worth what you have paid for it". But personally when somebody is trying to help you, but not giving you what you want to hear, I would personally ask you to please not throw your toys out of your pram as it is IMHO against the OOFers ethos where we are all trying to help each other. 

Nicely put Rod.

Indeed. 

Cem may well go on about winter tyres a lot and even I get fed up ignore what he says sometimes , but he does have good experience of them and shares his information

Perhaps you were caught at a bad time, but your reply was a little OTT

[feeutfo]

Got to admire cems knowledge on tyres, but he does seem to forget what country the majority of members live in. We don't have Turkeys climate here. We just don't.
And if this is as bad winter gets by spring I mite be regretting buying winter tyres and extra wheels, if I'd have bothered in the first place