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[cem_devecioglu]

I have seen lots of models with various power output..
 
best sound was from bang & olafsen and bose series if my memory is not wrong..
 
they were really good even in open weather conditions.. 
 
ps: but before the music system, you must have thick cement walls and I mean really thick..
 
or your neighbours will be listening the bass sound that you dont hear

[Kevin Wood]

If you're looking for something with a really low "wife appreciation factor":



 

[Kevin Wood]

Oh, and that white pillar in the background isn't holding the ceiling up.. It's the bass driver.

[cem_devecioglu]

one of these would do enough for me
http://www.bang-olufsen.com/beolab5
 
or
http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/speakers/stereo_speakers/901_speakers/index.jsp  (cheaper of course)

[Marks DTM Calib]

I personaly have never liked the Bose stuff, it always sounded 'coloured' to me and harsh.

One of the better budget floor standers in recent years that I ddi like were the M74's by Mission but sadly I have had to settle for some KEF's for the lounge to appease er-indoors.

[ffcgary1]

OK guys, order order, thanks for all the reply to this thread, i now see that there is more to this than i thought,
but to return to the original question, i need to replace the sub woofer, So if i replace the sub with another of the same size and spec it should not affect the sound with regards the enclosure size, yes?.

As to the crossover all i want to do is replace the existng with a more modern item, So which make should i go with?

What make of sub do you reccomend? Pioneer, Bose, Cambridge etc.
ta Gary.

[Kevin Wood]

OK guys, order order, thanks for all the reply to this thread, i now see that there is more to this than i thought,
but to return to the original question, i need to replace the sub woofer, So if i replace the sub with another of the same size and spec it should not affect the sound with regards the enclosure size, yes?.

No. This is the point we have been making. Speakers drive units can be identical in size but have totally different electrical and mechanical characteristics, which determine what type of enclosure they will work in. Without knowing exactly how the old drive units behaved  and finding an exact replacement you won't find something that sounds decent in that enclosure, hence the recommendation to have the existing units re-coned.

As to the crossover all i want to do is replace the existng with a more modern item, So which make should i go with?

What make of sub do you reccomend? Pioneer, Bose, Cambridge etc.
ta Gary.

Again, the crossover design will be dependant on the rest of the speaker design parameters so nothing "off the shelf" will work properly, as it won't be designed for the specific speaker. If you are concerned about the crossover, replace the capacitors with modern types of the same value, type and voltage rating as they are the only parts of the crossover which will have deteriorated in reality.

[cem_devecioglu]

OK guys, order order, thanks for all the reply to this thread, i now see that there is more to this than i thought,
but to return to the original question, i need to replace the sub woofer, So if i replace the sub with another of the same size and spec it should not affect the sound with regards the enclosure size, yes?.

1.No. This is the point we have been making. Speakers drive units can be identical in size but have totally different electrical and mechanical characteristics, which determine what type of enclosure they will work in. Without knowing exactly how the old drive units behaved  and finding an exact replacement you won't find something that sounds decent in that enclosure, hence the recommendation to have the existing units re-coned.

As to the crossover all i want to do is replace the existng with a more modern item, So which make should i go with?

What make of sub do you reccomend? Pioneer, Bose, Cambridge etc.
ta Gary.

2.Again, the crossover design will be dependant on the rest of the speaker design parameters so nothing "off the shelf" will work properly, as it won't be designed for the specific speaker. If you are concerned about the crossover, replace the capacitors with modern types of the same value, type and voltage rating as they are the only parts of the crossover which will have deteriorated in reality.

2. Agreed..
 
1. agreed to disagree
 
100% match may not be achieved, but trying with some suitable /same impedance and size bass unit may even be better..

[cem_devecioglu]

I personaly have never liked the Bose stuff, it always sounded 'coloured' to me and harsh.

One of the better budget floor standers in recent years that I ddi like were the M74's by Mission but sadly I have had to settle for some KEF's for the lounge to appease er-indoors.

in my experience , some speakers which are good in pop may not sound good in classics.. its a design fact.. and its really hard to say this the best one.. it primarily depends on personal choices,  living area , decoration etc etc.. 

[Marks DTM Calib]

2. Agreed..
 
1. agreed to disagree
 
100% match may not be achieved, but trying with some suitable /same impedance and size bass unit may even be better..

Here's a quick test/example.

Lest take two 200mm woofers at 8 ohms

So, the first one:

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-8-woofers/goldwood-gw-8028-8-woofer-8-ohm/

and the second:

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-8-woofers/eminence-alpha-8a-8-woofer/

Huge difference between them and both would give very different enclosure designs.....

yet the impedance and size are the same............

[cem_devecioglu]

2. Agreed..
 
1. agreed to disagree
 
100% match may not be achieved, but trying with some suitable /same impedance and size bass unit may even be better..

Here's a quick test/example.

Lest take two 200mm woofers at 8 ohms

So, the first one:

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-8-woofers/goldwood-gw-8028-8-woofer-8-ohm/

and the second:

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-8-woofers/eminence-alpha-8a-8-woofer/

Huge difference between them and both would give very different enclosure designs.....

yet the impedance and size are the same............

both will give sound   less or more , bad or good..flat one is more suitable for classic music where the other is for pop..

[Marks DTM Calib]

2. Agreed..
 
1. agreed to disagree
 
100% match may not be achieved, but trying with some suitable /same impedance and size bass unit may even be better..

Here's a quick test/example.

Lest take two 200mm woofers at 8 ohms

So, the first one:

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-8-woofers/goldwood-gw-8028-8-woofer-8-ohm/

and the second:

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-8-woofers/eminence-alpha-8a-8-woofer/

Huge difference between them and both would give very different enclosure designs.....

yet the impedance and size are the same............

both will give sound   less or more , bad or good..flat one is more suitable for classic music where the other is for pop..

Lol, well actualy both can be made to give a flatish response by designing the cabinet a certain way.....

Key thing is though that they both need very different size cabinets, put the 'better' one in the worng size box and the response curve you see will be NOTHING like quoted. 

[Taxi_Driver]

Maybe i shouldnt ask about these speakers that ive been looking at replacing a couple of cheap 'tinny' sony speakers...

http://www.richersounds.com/product/bookshelf-speakers/wharfedale/diamond-9.0/whar-9.0-blk

[Lampynoiseboy]

OK guys, order order, thanks for all the reply to this thread, i now see that there is more to this than i thought,
but to return to the original question, i need to replace the sub woofer, So if i replace the sub with another of the same size and spec it should not affect the sound with regards the enclosure size, yes?.

No. This is the point we have been making. Speakers drive units can be identical in size but have totally different electrical and mechanical characteristics, which determine what type of enclosure they will work in. Without knowing exactly how the old drive units behaved  and finding an exact replacement you won't find something that sounds decent in that enclosure, hence the recommendation to have the existing units re-coned.

As to the crossover all i want to do is replace the existng with a more modern item, So which make should i go with?

What make of sub do you reccomend? Pioneer, Bose, Cambridge etc.
ta Gary.

Again, the crossover design will be dependant on the rest of the speaker design parameters so nothing "off the shelf" will work properly, as it won't be designed for the specific speaker. If you are concerned about the crossover, replace the capacitors with modern types of the same value, type and voltage rating as they are the only parts of the crossover which will have deteriorated in reality.

Absolutely, couldn't agree more Kevin.

It is very rare to find a better driver than the one that the cabinet was designed for, if the box is too big or small, you also lose the correct amount of air to support the driver in it's movement, leading to damage as well as poorer sound.

And if you change the crossover to one to fit your new drivers, chances are you'll kill the other devices.

I would suggest pricing the re-cone, then going to your local hi-fi shop, (proper hi-fi, not currys  ), and seeing if you can find replacement cabinets that you like for the same sort of money.
If you can, all well & good as (as someone pointed out) the rest of the componants in your speakers may well be getting close to dying too.
If not, you either need to have the re-cone and chance the other bits are ok, or spend a little more on a pair of boxes you do like.

Oh, and for the record, I would avoid B&O.....vastly over-priced Phillips guts, in boxes made by someone that should design sofas for Ikea, that flatly refuse to work properly with ANY other makes of anything, thus forcing you to spend thousands to achieve what you already have for a tenth of the price!!

Apart from the banana phone.......average performance, but really cool looks 

[Lampynoiseboy]

Oh, and Bose x-overs are always different by miles to everyone elses..........see Bose section on here!!