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[Kevin Wood]

I've used some on a particularly nasty room, and tbh I ended up suggesting to the customer that they break-up the large amount of hard flat surfaces with either feature or drape.......kinda knew that before I switched the computer on- depends very much on if you actually have a problem or if you are just looking to make a good room sound better

Finally we're at the crux of the matter. 

The room is the bit you're generally stuck with, small modifications aside, and that's what should determine your choice of speaker. No point in getting those Carlos Fandango 18" bass drivers in huge cabinets if your listening room is small. That will have you reaching for the EQ (or the Aspirin).

Although, unless you already have or can borrow a decent reference mic, that plus s/w can be very costly to tell you what you already knew   

Yes.. Thinking about investigating a few open source software projects that claim to do it. I do know where there might be a 2nd hand Behringer DEQ going, though.

[Lampynoiseboy]

I've used some on a particularly nasty room, and tbh I ended up suggesting to the customer that they break-up the large amount of hard flat surfaces with either feature or drape.......kinda knew that before I switched the computer on- depends very much on if you actually have a problem or if you are just looking to make a good room sound better

Finally we're at the crux of the matter. 

The room is the bit you're generally stuck with, small modifications aside, and that's what should determine your choice of speaker. No point in getting those Carlos Fandango 18" bass drivers in huge cabinets if your listening room is small. That will have you reaching for the EQ (or the Aspirin).

Although, unless you already have or can borrow a decent reference mic, that plus s/w can be very costly to tell you what you already knew   

Yes.. Thinking about investigating a few open source software projects that claim to do it. I do know where there might be a 2nd hand Behringer DEQ going, though.

I'm not stuck, that was years ago......think your confusing me with the OP!

And before everyone else has a go, the behringer DEQ is ok, and their £70 reference mic is amazingly flat for the money!

[Kevin Wood]

I'm not stuck, that was years ago......think your confusing me with the OP!

Nope. Just making a general point that what works in Cem's living room might not work in mine and vice versa, so an argument about speakers is a bit pointless without room dimensions.

[Lampynoiseboy]

I'm not stuck, that was years ago......think your confusing me with the OP!

Nope. Just making a general point that what works in Cem's living room might not work in mine and vice versa, so an argument about speakers is a bit pointless without room dimensions.

True, but it sounds like he'd put a "disco smile" on the eq wherever he put the boxes!!

[Kevin Wood]

True, but it sounds like he'd put a "disco smile" on the eq wherever he put the boxes!!

 

[cem_devecioglu]

 
Bang and Olafsen have been producing speakers from the time your grandfathers young.. if you criticise something
be sure you know something about it..
 
and for Bose, its a well accepted famous brand.. spending large sums for research and selling their products in all continents..

B&O doesn't work easily with anything else, that is a fact.
 
I havent seen any probs with their speakers compatibility. (as we are talking about speakers now)
 

The sound quality vs. price was the criticism- how long they've been doing it is irrelevant
 
a company surviving for 90 years cant produce wrong products.. so its directly relevant..
and for price, they target a specific class and its their marketing policy..


I do like some Bose stuff, my point was that they also have a different way of doing things, which again makes it incompatible with other stuff- there are a lot of exploded amps on here to prove that!
 
modern amplifiers mostly have protection fuses.. rarely they get cooked , let alone exploding ..


I would at this point like to point out that for 4 years i worked for Rega Research, and as such have a comparisom room full of everything from b&0 to linn, think that qualifies as "knowing something about it"

And always a v shaped equaliser??? You bought the wrong speakers. Equalisers should be flat unless you are correcting poor/very old recordings or for rooms with poor acoustics, if you have to use it all the time, then they are either poor quality or not suitable for your needs
 
   a v shaped equalizer shows my preference.. lets say I like lows and highs a bit exaggerated.. and I use that most of the time on any system.. so nothing to do with speakers..

B&O are lucky in that most of there customers suffer from "it's expensive so it must be good" which is great for them, not so good for people like me trying to explain that they've bought something vastly over-priced. The speakers sound average, cost too much, and the rest of their equipment is just too much hard work to intergrate- no one manufacturer makes the best of everything, hence why people buy seperates

No matter how well protected an amp is, it is possible to kill it. Read some of the Bose threads on here, or talk to daveDND!!

As for your EQ settings being nothing to do with the speakers, that's absolute rubbish. You say you like hi's & lo's, so buy speakers that do it already, think D has a suggestion above!!

If you need to add stuff to make something work, it's the wrong product for the application, unless you can't afford the right product, in which case that's your problem- not the speakers!

never seen a B&O customer taking the system back the next day.. and definitely they dont have average sound.. there are not lots of tannoys, kefs,jbls around and in every home..even  sony,pioneer are well above average.. pricewise even the last 2 brands are not cheapo here..
 
and for car systems..  their working conditions are obviously different.. and if you compare omega bose system, do it with another factory fit car system.. there is no meaning to compare different things..
 
for your information: not all but most speakers are designed for flat response .. there is a reason why equalizers are built for 

[Kevin Wood]

If your speakers are designed to give a flat response and are appropriate for the room, you'll get a flat response without an equaliser, no? 

[Lampynoiseboy]

 
Bang and Olafsen have been producing speakers from the time your grandfathers young.. if you criticise something
be sure you know something about it..
 
and for Bose, its a well accepted famous brand.. spending large sums for research and selling their products in all continents..

B&O doesn't work easily with anything else, that is a fact.
 
I havent seen any probs with their speakers compatibility. (as we are talking about speakers now)
 

The sound quality vs. price was the criticism- how long they've been doing it is irrelevant
 
a company surviving for 90 years cant produce wrong products.. so its directly relevant..
and for price, they target a specific class and its their marketing policy..


I do like some Bose stuff, my point was that they also have a different way of doing things, which again makes it incompatible with other stuff- there are a lot of exploded amps on here to prove that!
 
modern amplifiers mostly have protection fuses.. rarely they get cooked , let alone exploding ..


I would at this point like to point out that for 4 years i worked for Rega Research, and as such have a comparisom room full of everything from b&0 to linn, think that qualifies as "knowing something about it"

And always a v shaped equaliser??? You bought the wrong speakers. Equalisers should be flat unless you are correcting poor/very old recordings or for rooms with poor acoustics, if you have to use it all the time, then they are either poor quality or not suitable for your needs
 
   a v shaped equalizer shows my preference.. lets say I like lows and highs a bit exaggerated.. and I use that most of the time on any system.. so nothing to do with speakers..

B&O are lucky in that most of there customers suffer from "it's expensive so it must be good" which is great for them, not so good for people like me trying to explain that they've bought something vastly over-priced. The speakers sound average, cost too much, and the rest of their equipment is just too much hard work to intergrate- no one manufacturer makes the best of everything, hence why people buy seperates

No matter how well protected an amp is, it is possible to kill it. Read some of the Bose threads on here, or talk to daveDND!!

As for your EQ settings being nothing to do with the speakers, that's absolute rubbish. You say you like hi's & lo's, so buy speakers that do it already, think D has a suggestion above!!

If you need to add stuff to make something work, it's the wrong product for the application, unless you can't afford the right product, in which case that's your problem- not the speakers!

never seen a B&O customer taking the system back the next day.. and definitely they dont have average sound.. there are not lots of tannoys, kefs,jbls around and in every home..even  sony,pioneer are well above average.. pricewise even the last 2 brands are not cheapo here..
 
and for car systems..  their working conditions are obviously different.. and if you compare omega bose system, do it with another factory fit car system.. there is no meaning to compare different things..
 
for your information: not all but most speakers are designed for flat response .. there is a reason why equalizers are built for 

Unfortunatly most of them get it wrong, they wouldn't know a flat response if slapped with a pancake.

And now your singing sony's praises?

*runs for cover*

[cem_devecioglu]

If your speakers are designed to give a flat response and are appropriate for the room, you'll get a flat response without an equaliser, no? 

Kevin, you may already know that in every song, frequency gains are dfifferently arranged by the stuido/firm whatever..
and I will use flat response if only I will listen classics.. but not for disco or metal..

[Lampynoiseboy]

If your speakers are designed to give a flat response and are appropriate for the room, you'll get a flat response without an equaliser, no?

 


But he doesn't want flat, would suggest jbl hf with 24" turbo subs.......no mid required 

[Lampynoiseboy]

If your speakers are designed to give a flat response and are appropriate for the room, you'll get a flat response without an equaliser, no? 

Kevin, you may already know that in every song, frequency gains are dfifferently arranged by the stuido/firm whatever..
and I will use flat response if only I will listen classics.. but not for disco or metal..

But "disco" has extended lo + hi anyway, how much do you need???

[cem_devecioglu]

 
Bang and Olafsen have been producing speakers from the time your grandfathers young.. if you criticise something
be sure you know something about it..
 
and for Bose, its a well accepted famous brand.. spending large sums for research and selling their products in all continents..

B&O doesn't work easily with anything else, that is a fact.
 
I havent seen any probs with their speakers compatibility. (as we are talking about speakers now)
 

The sound quality vs. price was the criticism- how long they've been doing it is irrelevant
 
a company surviving for 90 years cant produce wrong products.. so its directly relevant..
and for price, they target a specific class and its their marketing policy..


I do like some Bose stuff, my point was that they also have a different way of doing things, which again makes it incompatible with other stuff- there are a lot of exploded amps on here to prove that!
 
modern amplifiers mostly have protection fuses.. rarely they get cooked , let alone exploding ..


I would at this point like to point out that for 4 years i worked for Rega Research, and as such have a comparisom room full of everything from b&0 to linn, think that qualifies as "knowing something about it"

And always a v shaped equaliser??? You bought the wrong speakers. Equalisers should be flat unless you are correcting poor/very old recordings or for rooms with poor acoustics, if you have to use it all the time, then they are either poor quality or not suitable for your needs
 
   a v shaped equalizer shows my preference.. lets say I like lows and highs a bit exaggerated.. and I use that most of the time on any system.. so nothing to do with speakers..

B&O are lucky in that most of there customers suffer from "it's expensive so it must be good" which is great for them, not so good for people like me trying to explain that they've bought something vastly over-priced. The speakers sound average, cost too much, and the rest of their equipment is just too much hard work to intergrate- no one manufacturer makes the best of everything, hence why people buy seperates

No matter how well protected an amp is, it is possible to kill it. Read some of the Bose threads on here, or talk to daveDND!!

As for your EQ settings being nothing to do with the speakers, that's absolute rubbish. You say you like hi's & lo's, so buy speakers that do it already, think D has a suggestion above!!

If you need to add stuff to make something work, it's the wrong product for the application, unless you can't afford the right product, in which case that's your problem- not the speakers!

never seen a B&O customer taking the system back the next day.. and definitely they dont have average sound.. there are not lots of tannoys, kefs,jbls around and in every home..even  sony,pioneer are well above average.. pricewise even the last 2 brands are not cheapo here..
 
and for car systems..  their working conditions are obviously different.. and if you compare omega bose system, do it with another factory fit car system.. there is no meaning to compare different things..
 
for your information: not all but most speakers are designed for flat response .. there is a reason why equalizers are built for 

Unfortunatly most of them get it wrong, they wouldn't know a flat response if slapped with a pancake.

And now your singing sony's praises?

*runs for cover*

you have mentioned that B&O have avg sound.. and I said that they are high up in the list by telling even sony or pioneer are above avg..

[cem_devecioglu]

If your speakers are designed to give a flat response and are appropriate for the room, you'll get a flat response without an equaliser, no? 

Kevin, you may already know that in every song, frequency gains are dfifferently arranged by the stuido/firm whatever..
and I will use flat response if only I will listen classics.. but not for disco or metal..

But "disco" has extended lo + hi anyway, how much do you need???

   my mood will decide that ..

[Lampynoiseboy]

 
Bang and Olafsen have been producing speakers from the time your grandfathers young.. if you criticise something
be sure you know something about it..
 
and for Bose, its a well accepted famous brand.. spending large sums for research and selling their products in all continents..

B&O doesn't work easily with anything else, that is a fact.
 
I havent seen any probs with their speakers compatibility. (as we are talking about speakers now)
 

The sound quality vs. price was the criticism- how long they've been doing it is irrelevant
 
a company surviving for 90 years cant produce wrong products.. so its directly relevant..
and for price, they target a specific class and its their marketing policy..


I do like some Bose stuff, my point was that they also have a different way of doing things, which again makes it incompatible with other stuff- there are a lot of exploded amps on here to prove that!
 
modern amplifiers mostly have protection fuses.. rarely they get cooked , let alone exploding ..


I would at this point like to point out that for 4 years i worked for Rega Research, and as such have a comparisom room full of everything from b&0 to linn, think that qualifies as "knowing something about it"

And always a v shaped equaliser??? You bought the wrong speakers. Equalisers should be flat unless you are correcting poor/very old recordings or for rooms with poor acoustics, if you have to use it all the time, then they are either poor quality or not suitable for your needs
 
   a v shaped equalizer shows my preference.. lets say I like lows and highs a bit exaggerated.. and I use that most of the time on any system.. so nothing to do with speakers..

B&O are lucky in that most of there customers suffer from "it's expensive so it must be good" which is great for them, not so good for people like me trying to explain that they've bought something vastly over-priced. The speakers sound average, cost too much, and the rest of their equipment is just too much hard work to intergrate- no one manufacturer makes the best of everything, hence why people buy seperates

No matter how well protected an amp is, it is possible to kill it. Read some of the Bose threads on here, or talk to daveDND!!

As for your EQ settings being nothing to do with the speakers, that's absolute rubbish. You say you like hi's & lo's, so buy speakers that do it already, think D has a suggestion above!!

If you need to add stuff to make something work, it's the wrong product for the application, unless you can't afford the right product, in which case that's your problem- not the speakers!

never seen a B&O customer taking the system back the next day.. and definitely they dont have average sound.. there are not lots of tannoys, kefs,jbls around and in every home..even  sony,pioneer are well above average.. pricewise even the last 2 brands are not cheapo here..
 
and for car systems..  their working conditions are obviously different.. and if you compare omega bose system, do it with another factory fit car system.. there is no meaning to compare different things..
 
for your information: not all but most speakers are designed for flat response .. there is a reason why equalizers are built for 

Unfortunatly most of them get it wrong, they wouldn't know a flat response if slapped with a pancake.

And now your singing sony's praises?

*runs for cover*

you have mentioned that B&O have avg sound.. and I said that they are high up in the list by telling even sony or pioneer are above avg..

Sony & pioneer above average?

You must stop buying speakers from Lidl. ;-)

[cem_devecioglu]

 
 
the market is full of chineese speakers boxed here.. and its the most selling item.. so they define the avg..