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No

34 (82.9%)

Yes, when the roads are covered in snow

1 (2.4%)

Yes, from the end of October to the beginning of March

6 (14.6%)

Don't know

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 26

Voting closed: 25 January 2013, 21:19:08

[feeutfo]

I would add though, sc3 really are shit in snow. As cem would probably remind me.

.....So I'm surprised your without them (winter tyres)  this week D?

[henryd]

Yep, so take a completely inappropriate tool and put your winter tyres on it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iXVYFmnJmno

 

Fantastically controlled though

Perhaps you should ask him for a lesson Kev

Does Mr Wood have post culling powers?,just asking 

[TheBoy]

But as most people buy plastic tyres, because they are round, and need an MOT, most cars out there are on tyres not suitable for summer, let alone winter...

They'd be better banning the 57 varitys IMO. Then we 'd have a better match to the conditions, on average.

And what's to stop the same drivers buying the same quality winter tyres? Equally hopeless.

Trouble is, we know a premium tyre, such as SC3 has awful braking performance in wintry conditions (SC5 is a bit better, BTW), so the point I would suggest some budget summer tyres perform better in snow.

And to quote your good self from an earlier post, a general purpose tyre is poor at everything.


I haven't voted, as I don't think it should be enforced (its not enforcible anyway), but I think people should be educated enough to be able to make a decision - and that includes on summer tyres as well.  But the industry is heading the wrong way, at the beck and call of the greenie morons.


I would use winter tyres, but last time I ran up my insurance about it (2 or 3 years ago), they were not happy about it.

[TheBoy]

I would add though, sc3 really are shit in snow. As cem would probably remind me.

.....So I'm surprised your without them (winter tyres)  this week D?

I was under the impression that D had multiple sets, hence selling one? Maybe for other cars.

I know when tunnie came round on Monday (about 1" of snow here then), he was please with the extra grip....  ....not sure what junk he had on previously though.

[05omegav6]

"so the point I would suggest some budget summer tyres perform better in snow..."

 Might I point the honourable admin in the direction of a set of... 

[OOMV6]

But as most people buy plastic tyres, because they are round, and need an MOT, most cars out there are on tyres not suitable for summer, let alone winter...

They'd be better banning the 57 varitys IMO. Then we 'd have a better match to the conditions, on average.

And what's to stop the same drivers buying the same quality winter tyres? Equally hopeless.

Trouble is, we know a premium tyre, such as SC3 has awful braking performance in wintry conditions (SC5 is a bit better, BTW), so the point I would suggest some budget summer tyres perform better in snow.

And to quote your good self from an earlier post, a general purpose tyre is poor at everything.


I haven't voted, as I don't think it should be enforced (its not enforcible anyway), but I think people should be educated enough to be able to make a decision - and that includes on summer tyres as well.  But the industry is heading the wrong way, at the beck and call of the greenie morons.


I would use winter tyres, but last time I ran up my insurance about it (2 or 3 years ago), they were not happy about it.

This sounds like your dim view of UK authorities speaking. Of course it is enforceable - well, as enforceable as any law is anyway.
Look how many countries enforce it successfully. It's just a mind-set and attitude change, which yes, takes some time but is doable. Here, Germany / Luxembourg region, it's the law. It's adhered to on the whole. Of course there are some who don't. Just like some people always break speed limits, drive with a little alcohol in their system, bla bla bla.

[TheBoy]

But as most people buy plastic tyres, because they are round, and need an MOT, most cars out there are on tyres not suitable for summer, let alone winter...

They'd be better banning the 57 varitys IMO. Then we 'd have a better match to the conditions, on average.

And what's to stop the same drivers buying the same quality winter tyres? Equally hopeless.

Trouble is, we know a premium tyre, such as SC3 has awful braking performance in wintry conditions (SC5 is a bit better, BTW), so the point I would suggest some budget summer tyres perform better in snow.

And to quote your good self from an earlier post, a general purpose tyre is poor at everything.


I haven't voted, as I don't think it should be enforced (its not enforcible anyway), but I think people should be educated enough to be able to make a decision - and that includes on summer tyres as well.  But the industry is heading the wrong way, at the beck and call of the greenie morons.


I would use winter tyres, but last time I ran up my insurance about it (2 or 3 years ago), they were not happy about it.

This sounds like your dim view of UK authorities speaking. Of course it is enforceable - well, as enforceable as any law is anyway.
Look how many countries enforce it successfully. It's just a mind-set and attitude change, which yes, takes some time but is doable. Here, Germany / Luxembourg region, it's the law. It's adhered to on the whole. Of course there are some who don't. Just like some people always break speed limits, drive with a little alcohol in their system, bla bla bla.

To enforce it is going to need Plod, Wombles or Hobby Bobbys actually checking. Can't see how it could be done electronically. So not really viable here any more. IMHO anyway.

I think it would be more successful via education, than enforcement.

[OOMV6]

But as most people buy plastic tyres, because they are round, and need an MOT, most cars out there are on tyres not suitable for summer, let alone winter...

They'd be better banning the 57 varitys IMO. Then we 'd have a better match to the conditions, on average.

And what's to stop the same drivers buying the same quality winter tyres? Equally hopeless.

Trouble is, we know a premium tyre, such as SC3 has awful braking performance in wintry conditions (SC5 is a bit better, BTW), so the point I would suggest some budget summer tyres perform better in snow.

And to quote your good self from an earlier post, a general purpose tyre is poor at everything.


I haven't voted, as I don't think it should be enforced (its not enforcible anyway), but I think people should be educated enough to be able to make a decision - and that includes on summer tyres as well.  But the industry is heading the wrong way, at the beck and call of the greenie morons.


I would use winter tyres, but last time I ran up my insurance about it (2 or 3 years ago), they were not happy about it.

This sounds like your dim view of UK authorities speaking. Of course it is enforceable - well, as enforceable as any law is anyway.
Look how many countries enforce it successfully. It's just a mind-set and attitude change, which yes, takes some time but is doable. Here, Germany / Luxembourg region, it's the law. It's adhered to on the whole. Of course there are some who don't. Just like some people always break speed limits, drive with a little alcohol in their system, bla bla bla.

To enforce it is going to need Plod, Wombles or Hobby Bobbys actually checking. Can't see how it could be done electronically. So not really viable here any more. IMHO anyway.

I think it would be more successful via education, than enforcement.

Absolutely. Education is the best way. That's a another long story though..............

[cem_devecioglu]

to clarify some points , I want to share some of my experiences:
 
drawbacks for winter tyres
 
* increases consumption around %5 to %10 depending on avg speed..

* if you are going to make a red/green light drag you are a looser

* brakes/clutch wear/tear rate increase

* you need to purchase 4 ideally, which is not cheap..

* if you are living on a high degree hilly area you have chance only
  when its not completely compacted/ice

*they have same speed ratings like summer tyres, but their wear rates
 at high speeds are higher as expected but not that quickly
 
advantages for winter tyres

* forget about 7 celcius limit.. when the weather is below 15 celcius
they work/grip very well and dont wear quickly so that you can use
them at least 2-3  years (or more- I use them at least 4-5 years)

*they can be used whole cold season without installing them back and forth
unlike chains. and they dont damage drive train..

* your suits dont become dirty your hands dont freeze 

*unexpected frosts on bridges, valleys dont bite you unless you dont travel
at the speed of sound

*and very important , you drive your car with confidence

* after their last year you can use them also in summer
 
so if budget permits, I definitely recommend them  

[D]

Having sold my winters to Tunnie. I took the car out last week when it wasnt snowing, but the temps were around 2 - 8 deg C. The difference in grip was significant. Where I could confidently pull out of a junction on the Dunlop 3D's, I was spinning the Conti Sport Contact 3's a lot. I have changed my driving style to compensate for the summer tyres. But the difference for me is like using a good quality summer tyre in summer vs some cheap Chinese crap. And the SC3's are very good summer tyres. Despite this I have to drive extra carefully even when there is no snow, but the temperatures are low or in cold wet weather.

It is not about snow. It is about the amount of grip that the tyres provide once the temps dip below 8 deg C IMO.

Feel free to save money and argue about the fact that we dont get Nordic weather in the UK. My feeling after using dedicated winter tyres for the last 3-4 years is that I would not be without them between Nov - March. But then that is based on my experience rather than supposition or conspiracy theories.

If I can get the additional grip for about £500 over 5 years then that is a small price to pay.

A minor point over stated somewhat? No?
And you'd have been better off with summer tyres for at least half that period on average. If not more.
Plus I'd be interested to know how your getting sc3 to spin up so easily at that temp. I really would. Because I can't get them to do that with a lower geared dif fitted. ?

I have 4 cars. We now live in a penthouse with no closed garage, only a carport. So nowhere to store all 4 sets. Hence getting rid of 2 sets, purely from a limited storage perspective. I plan to try some goodyear vector 4 seasons as a space saving experiment at some point.

How do they spin up? I dont know. I know they behave immaculately in warm weather. Yet TC is constantly lighting up when I try to accelerate rapidly. About 6mm tread left as well. And I have no vested interest in wasting money and time on a second set of tyres. Just my experience with them has been quite revealing. And yes, I didnt believe in winter tyres till I actually had the ba**s to listen to a friend and buy them.

[OOMV6]

to clarify some points , I want to share some of my experiences:
 
drawbacks for winter tyres
 
* increases consumption around %5 to %10 depending on avg speed..

* if you are going to make a red/green light drag you are a looser

* brakes/clutch wear/tear rate increase

* you need to purchase 4 ideally, which is not cheap..

* if you are living on a high degree hilly area you have chance only
  when its not completely compacted/ice

*they have same speed ratings like summer tyres, but their wear rates
 at high speeds are higher as expected but not that quickly
 
advantages for winter tyres

* forget about 7 celcius limit.. when the weather is below 15 celcius
they work/grip very well and dont wear quickly so that you can use
them at least 2-3  years (or more- I use them at least 4-5 years)

*they can be used whole cold season without installing them back and forth
unlike chains. and they dont damage drive train..

* your suits dont become dirty your hands dont freeze 

*unexpected frosts on bridges, valleys dont bite you unless you dont travel
at the speed of sound

*and very important , you drive your car with confidence

* after their last year you can use them also in summer
 
so if budget permits, I definitely recommend them

Why?

[Vamps]

Sorry, thought I had wandered onto the Bus Thread........

[cem_devecioglu]

to clarify some points , I want to share some of my experiences:
 
drawbacks for winter tyres
 
* increases consumption around %5 to %10 depending on avg speed..

* if you are going to make a red/green light drag you are a looser

* brakes/clutch wear/tear rate increase

* you need to purchase 4 ideally, which is not cheap..

* if you are living on a high degree hilly area you have chance only
  when its not completely compacted/ice

*they have same speed ratings like summer tyres, but their wear rates
 at high speeds are higher as expected but not that quickly
 
advantages for winter tyres

* forget about 7 celcius limit.. when the weather is below 15 celcius
they work/grip very well and dont wear quickly so that you can use
them at least 2-3  years (or more- I use them at least 4-5 years)

*they can be used whole cold season without installing them back and forth
unlike chains. and they dont damage drive train..

* your suits dont become dirty your hands dont freeze 

*unexpected frosts on bridges, valleys dont bite you unless you dont travel
at the speed of sound

*and very important , you drive your car with confidence

* after their last year you can use them also in summer
 
so if budget permits, I definitely recommend them

Why?

physic rules, increased grip on tyres applies more force on clutch and brake pads

[cem_devecioglu]

Having sold my winters to Tunnie. I took the car out last week when it wasnt snowing, but the temps were around 2 - 8 deg C. The difference in grip was significant. Where I could confidently pull out of a junction on the Dunlop 3D's, I was spinning the Conti Sport Contact 3's a lot. I have changed my driving style to compensate for the summer tyres. But the difference for me is like using a good quality summer tyre in summer vs some cheap Chinese crap. And the SC3's are very good summer tyres. Despite this I have to drive extra carefully even when there is no snow, but the temperatures are low or in cold wet weather.

It is not about snow. It is about the amount of grip that the tyres provide once the temps dip below 8 deg C IMO.

Feel free to save money and argue about the fact that we dont get Nordic weather in the UK. My feeling after using dedicated winter tyres for the last 3-4 years is that I would not be without them between Nov - March. But then that is based on my experience rather than supposition or conspiracy theories.

If I can get the additional grip for about £500 over 5 years then that is a small price to pay.

A minor point over stated somewhat? No?
And you'd have been better off with summer tyres for at least half that period on average. If not more.
Plus I'd be interested to know how your getting sc3 to spin up so easily at that temp. I really would. Because I can't get them to do that with a lower geared dif fitted. ?

I have 4 cars. We now live in a penthouse with no closed garage, only a carport. So nowhere to store all 4 sets. Hence getting rid of 2 sets, purely from a limited storage perspective. I plan to try some goodyear vector 4 seasons as a space saving experiment at some point.

How do they spin up? I dont know. I know they behave immaculately in warm weather. Yet TC is constantly lighting up when I try to accelerate rapidly. About 6mm tread left as well. And I have no vested interest in wasting money and time on a second set of tyres. Just my experience with them has been quite revealing. And yes, I didnt believe in winter tyres till I actually had the ba**s to listen to a friend and buy them.

thats a very good 4 season tyre and may well suit UK conditions.. only drawback may be a bit noisy in summer..  my friends tested them under snow and is really successful..

[OOMV6]

to clarify some points , I want to share some of my experiences:
 
drawbacks for winter tyres
 
* increases consumption around %5 to %10 depending on avg speed..

* if you are going to make a red/green light drag you are a looser

* brakes/clutch wear/tear rate increase

* you need to purchase 4 ideally, which is not cheap..

* if you are living on a high degree hilly area you have chance only
  when its not completely compacted/ice

*they have same speed ratings like summer tyres, but their wear rates
 at high speeds are higher as expected but not that quickly
 
advantages for winter tyres

* forget about 7 celcius limit.. when the weather is below 15 celcius
they work/grip very well and dont wear quickly so that you can use
them at least 2-3  years (or more- I use them at least 4-5 years)

*they can be used whole cold season without installing them back and forth
unlike chains. and they dont damage drive train..

* your suits dont become dirty your hands dont freeze 

*unexpected frosts on bridges, valleys dont bite you unless you dont travel
at the speed of sound

*and very important , you drive your car with confidence

* after their last year you can use them also in summer
 
so if budget permits, I definitely recommend them

Why?

physic rules, increased grip on tyres applies more force on clutch and brake pads

Ah ok. So really minimal then. No different to driving in a dry summer with good quality summer tyres.