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No

34 (82.9%)

Yes, when the roads are covered in snow

1 (2.4%)

Yes, from the end of October to the beginning of March

6 (14.6%)

Don't know

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 26

Voting closed: 25 January 2013, 21:19:08

[cem_devecioglu]

Also winter tyres is a very good way for the tyre companys/manufacturers to make some more money from gullible english southerners,

here is my solution.. nationalise tyre companies.. and distrubute winter tyres for free

[D]

10 peneth worth I'm with gixer on this +1.
 why spend £200 on somthing that you are only going to use for 8 maybe 9 weeks of the year.
Yes i have experienced traction problems with my avons 234/45/17, if i was going to germany,Scandinavia or somewhere it is law to fit them then yes,the other negitive for them in england is there temperature range,considering we can go from +14 to -5 in two days and winter tyres work best at +3 and below,why bother.
 Its a bit like why does Jemima who lives in Chelsea need a range rover for the school run!

You are right. If you spend £200 on 4 winter tyres then they are most likely going to be cheap chinese crap and of no use to anyone. The cheapest (quality tyre) I could find last month was £150 per tyre. But remember, the total cost is not for one year. You are spreading it over 5 years and in return getting longer out of your summer tyres as well. Then the safety aspect. The expense if you even have a simple prang with a lamppost or a kerb. In many ways it works out well for me. And I am willing to pay for my family's safety. Cost isn't a factor when I consider safety. As an example I recently bought a bike. I paid for the grippiest tyres I could find and the safest helmet as well. And the brightest lights front and rear I could find. You could argue that I could make do with cheap tyres, a chinese helmet and lights from ASDA. But then it is my life, and I dont want to end up tetraplegic.

With regards to legislation; as someone mentioned earlier, the majority of drivers wouldnt bother even getting their cars checked annually if it wasnt for the MOT. Most people are stupid and dont care about their safety or others. The counter argument would be that even if it was mandatory, the very same people would put cheap chinese winter tyres on and end up being just as risky.

[feeutfo]

Currently some better Chinese crap winter tyres are £800 a set !


And that was me posted earlier that the same people that fit crap summer tyres, will also fit crap winter tyres. Where's the gain? Make them fit decent summer tyres and get a better year long average improvement.

[Sir Tigger KC]

With the cost of insurance, road tax and fuel, who the hell can afford to buy winter tyres anyway? 

When summer comes round again many people wouldn't change back to summer tyres because they couldn't afford to and would run round on winters all year round.    So what are the issues of driving with winter tyres in summer? 

[biggriffin]

Running winters in the summer is a bit like running on wets in the dry,they just wear out as they get too hot,

[D]

Running winters in the summer is a bit like running on wets in the dry,they just wear out as they get too hot,

Not really. I have to say I was guilty of that a couple of years ago and it was fine. Slightly softer handling, possible more wear than a similar summer tyre. But it didnt just wear out. That is a misconception that you will wear your winter tyres out in summer. May be in sunny Dubai. Not in the UK.

[OOMV6]

With the cost of insurance, road tax and fuel, who the hell can afford to buy winter tyres anyway? 

When summer comes round again many people wouldn't change back to summer tyres because they couldn't afford to and would run round on winters all year round.    So what are the issues of driving with winter tyres in summer? 

That just ain't logical. You'd have the summer tyres stored somewhere from when they came off before winter. Unless of course they were worn out anyway. In which case you'd need to buy some anyway. Once the initial outlay has been made, that's it. No more spending than you would if you ran one set of tyres.

[feeutfo]

With the cost of insurance, road tax and fuel, who the hell can afford to buy winter tyres anyway? 

When summer comes round again many people wouldn't change back to summer tyres because they couldn't afford to and would run round on winters all year round.    So what are the issues of driving with winter tyres in summer? 

That just ain't logical. You'd have the summer tyres stored somewhere from when they came off before winter. Unless of course they were worn out anyway. In which case you'd need to buy some anyway. Once the initial outlay has been made, that's it. No more spending than you would if you ran one set of tyres.

And what's logic got to do with it?
In any walk of life there is always a retard at the back that doesn't understand.
When it comes to understanding grip levels my Mrs is a retard.
When comes to admin and paperwork I'm the retard.

When it comes to electrics I'm the retard (again )
When it comes to understanding car handling faults TheBoy is a retard, clearly!

We all have out plus and minus points.


However, I'd like to know the strong point of the retard who came up with this idea ? Because winter tyres in a country that has dull changeable weather all year round is no answer, when half the population are retards behind the wheel anyway.

There may or may not be a case for winter tyres, but there are far ore important issues to deal with first.

[D]

With the cost of insurance, road tax and fuel, who the hell can afford to buy winter tyres anyway? 

When summer comes round again many people wouldn't change back to summer tyres because they couldn't afford to and would run round on winters all year round.    So what are the issues of driving with winter tyres in summer? 

That just ain't logical. You'd have the summer tyres stored somewhere from when they came off before winter. Unless of course they were worn out anyway. In which case you'd need to buy some anyway. Once the initial outlay has been made, that's it. No more spending than you would if you ran one set of tyres.

And what's logic got to do with it?
In any walk of life there is always a retard at the back that doesn't understand.
When it comes to understanding grip levels my Mrs is a retard.
When comes to admin and paperwork I'm the retard.

When it comes to electrics I'm the retard (again )
When it comes to understanding car handling faults TheBoy is a retard, clearly!

We all have out plus and minus points.


However, I'd like to know the strong point of the retard who came up with this idea ? Because winter tyres in a country that has dull changeable weather all year round is no answer, when half the population are retards behind the wheel anyway.

There may or may not be a case for winter tyres, but there are far ore important issues to deal with first.

Yes, Mr Gixer's Prozac dose for example. 

[bigegg]

I, personally, would rather see the (minimum) £200 for winter tyres spent on COMPULSORY bad weather lessons - £200 should pay for 10 hours+a test and would cover driving rain, fog, ice, snow and high winds.
Yes, I know there's a pass+ course, but it's not compulsory, and it doesn't (AFAIK) cover bad weather - except for skid pan? experience

[biggriffin]

The question that those who have bought into the need for winter tyres have to ask is which constabularys have winter tyres fitted to traffic cars,to my knowledge there is possibly 2 that might fit them,highland and Grampian.
. I dont think the met or Sussex or devon+cornwall do.
 so with this great sweeping statment. If the plod dont need them and the dogooders arnt harping on about them being a major contribution to road safety, then i dont think we need them,but if living in the deep south there are polar bears and blizzard conditions then please carry on...

[feeutfo]

Plod are still in shorts down in Cornwall.

[feeutfo]

With the cost of insurance, road tax and fuel, who the hell can afford to buy winter tyres anyway? 

When summer comes round again many people wouldn't change back to summer tyres because they couldn't afford to and would run round on winters all year round.    So what are the issues of driving with winter tyres in summer? 

That just ain't logical. You'd have the summer tyres stored somewhere from when they came off before winter. Unless of course they were worn out anyway. In which case you'd need to buy some anyway. Once the initial outlay has been made, that's it. No more spending than you would if you ran one set of tyres.

And what's logic got to do with it?
In any walk of life there is always a retard at the back that doesn't understand.
When it comes to understanding grip levels my Mrs is a retard.
When comes to admin and paperwork I'm the retard.

When it comes to electrics I'm the retard (again )
When it comes to understanding car handling faults TheBoy is a retard, clearly!

We all have out plus and minus points.


However, I'd like to know the strong point of the retard who came up with this idea ? Because winter tyres in a country that has dull changeable weather all year round is no answer, when half the population are retards behind the wheel anyway.

There may or may not be a case for winter tyres, but there are far ore important issues to deal with first.

Yes, Mr Gixer's Prozac dose for example. 

and do gooding Wingebags that only turn up to stir the nest, that can't tell if their tyres have gone off due to storage.   maybe try some yourself D.

[Kevin Wood]

I say again.. We are dealing with people (in the most part) who can't be @rsed to change a light bulb to make their car safer.

Force winter tyres on them, and they'll buy the cheapest rubbish that claims to be a winter tyre, the box'll be ticked, and their tyre budget will now have to stretch to another set of wheels, storage of same, swapping over (most can't use a jack), etc.

Bottom line : Are we really seeing enough people hurt due specifically to the difference in grip between the two tyre types in the specific (rare, in the UK) conditions in which winter tyres have a significant advantage?

As said, we need to start with the attitude of drivers, then their ability, and a whole host of other human issues before worrying about different types of rubber. Compulsory skid pan training would be a good start, because I'd bet a fair few drivers out there simply freeze and wait for the bang as soon as their car starts sliding.

[ffcgary1]

With regards to the 4x4 tyres issue, raised by Jamie.
i have a jeep and is currently running aggressive off road tyres, these i fit to the jeep around december time as it is when i do  most of my greenlaning and off road on the salisbury plains.
I remove theses when the weather starts to improve purely due to the fact that they will scrub themselfs out in no time on tarmac and the drone is hell, but in the snow they are incredible and linked to the diff lock even better.
I voted no in the original poll as for the amount of very cold temps in this country it does not make financle  sence or indeed any other sence.
If you drive to the weather/ability and road conditions and give plenty of thought to the road ahead then it does not make any difference to the tyres you have fitted provided they are legal in terms of tread.
Gary