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No

34 (82.9%)

Yes, when the roads are covered in snow

1 (2.4%)

Yes, from the end of October to the beginning of March

6 (14.6%)

Don't know

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 26

Voting closed: 25 January 2013, 21:19:08

[D]

I say again.. We are dealing with people (in the most part) who can't be @rsed to change a light bulb to make their car safer.

Force winter tyres on them, and they'll buy the cheapest rubbish that claims to be a winter tyre, the box'll be ticked, and their tyre budget will now have to stretch to another set of wheels, storage of same, swapping over (most can't use a jack), etc.

Bottom line : Are we really seeing enough people hurt due specifically to the difference in grip between the two tyre types in the specific (rare, in the UK) conditions in which winter tyres have a significant advantage?

As said, we need to start with the attitude of drivers, then their ability, and a whole host of other human issues before worrying about different types of rubber. Compulsory skid pan training would be a good start, because I'd bet a fair few drivers out there simply freeze and wait for the bang as soon as their car starts sliding.

Very valid points. Doesnt preclude sensible people from making an informed choice though.

[D]

With the cost of insurance, road tax and fuel, who the hell can afford to buy winter tyres anyway? 

When summer comes round again many people wouldn't change back to summer tyres because they couldn't afford to and would run round on winters all year round.    So what are the issues of driving with winter tyres in summer? 

That just ain't logical. You'd have the summer tyres stored somewhere from when they came off before winter. Unless of course they were worn out anyway. In which case you'd need to buy some anyway. Once the initial outlay has been made, that's it. No more spending than you would if you ran one set of tyres.

And what's logic got to do with it?
In any walk of life there is always a retard at the back that doesn't understand.
When it comes to understanding grip levels my Mrs is a retard.
When comes to admin and paperwork I'm the retard.

When it comes to electrics I'm the retard (again )
When it comes to understanding car handling faults TheBoy is a retard, clearly!

We all have out plus and minus points.


However, I'd like to know the strong point of the retard who came up with this idea ? Because winter tyres in a country that has dull changeable weather all year round is no answer, when half the population are retards behind the wheel anyway.

There may or may not be a case for winter tyres, but there are far ore important issues to deal with first.

Yes, Mr Gixer's Prozac dose for example. 

and do gooding Wingebags that only turn up to stir the nest, that can't tell if their tyres have gone off due to storage.   maybe try some yourself D.

If 2 year old SC3's are so crap that 6 months of appropriate storage cause them to go off, then I wonder about their ability as a tyre/manufacturer. I also wonder why you would recommend such a crap tyre? And I am not whinging, just stating my experience. 

And I have had my double strength Prozac already, thank you very much! 

[D]

The question that those who have bought into the need for winter tyres have to ask is which constabularys have winter tyres fitted to traffic cars,to my knowledge there is possibly 2 that might fit them,highland and Grampian.
. I dont think the met or Sussex or devon+cornwall do.
 so with this great sweeping statment. If the plod dont need them and the dogooders arnt harping on about them being a major contribution to road safety, then i dont think we need them,but if living in the deep south there are polar bears and blizzard conditions then please carry on...

I have no idea about the police. But local ambulance services have winter tyres on their vehicles. Or so I was told by my friendly LAS paramedic.

[TheBoy]

Force winter tyres on them, and they'll buy the cheapest rubbish that claims to be a winter tyre, the box'll be ticked, and their tyre budget will now have to stretch to another set of wheels, storage of same, swapping over (most can't use a jack), etc.

I agree, I'd much rather see shit tyres (all types) banned, before winters are compulsory. Its no secret, I'd like to see the part worns market banned as well.

[albitz]

But would you still say that if you couldnt afford expensive new tyres ? 

[TheBoy]

But would you still say that if you couldnt afford expensive new tyres ? 

OK, I can't afford to service the brakes, so run on substandard ones which don't stop.

I can't afford driving lessons, so I drive without passing a test.

Where do you draw the line?


So to directly answer your question, yes. Or more accurately, I've have a smaller car I could afford tyres on.  Without doubt, part worns are expensive. And there are some pretty usable budget tyres available.

[TheBoy]

Sorry, sounded like a rant.

I work in Milton Keynes, where a fair proportion of the sub Sahara immigrants don't have licences, simply do not know how to drive, are outright dangerous, and drive deathtraps.

PC Plod are too scared to pull them, as the do-gooders like that ugly bitch from Liberty ensure the media get hold of it, with a racism twist.

[feeutfo]

But would you still say that if you couldnt afford expensive new tyres ? 

Mid range "Performance" tyres, thats tyres that perform in the middle price range should be the minimum price range available.

Linglong, wanlee, Autogrip, etc all happen to be in the minimum price bracket, but its their lack of performance that is more dangerous than anything else on the road.

Deal with that first, IMO.


Not being able to afford to maintain a car, does not give you the right to drive the poxy thing.

[feeutfo]

The question that those who have bought into the need for winter tyres have to ask is which constabularys have winter tyres fitted to traffic cars,to my knowledge there is possibly 2 that might fit them,highland and Grampian.
. I dont think the met or Sussex or devon+cornwall do.
 so with this great sweeping statment. If the plod dont need them and the dogooders arnt harping on about them being a major contribution to road safety, then i dont think we need them,but if living in the deep south there are polar bears and blizzard conditions then please carry on...

I have no idea about the police. But local ambulance services have winter tyres on their vehicles. Or so I was told by my friendly LAS paramedic.

well they don't here, there's a paramedic lives two doors up.

[feeutfo]

With the cost of insurance, road tax and fuel, who the hell can afford to buy winter tyres anyway? 

When summer comes round again many people wouldn't change back to summer tyres because they couldn't afford to and would run round on winters all year round.    So what are the issues of driving with winter tyres in summer? 

That just ain't logical. You'd have the summer tyres stored somewhere from when they came off before winter. Unless of course they were worn out anyway. In which case you'd need to buy some anyway. Once the initial outlay has been made, that's it. No more spending than you would if you ran one set of tyres.

And what's logic got to do with it?
In any walk of life there is always a retard at the back that doesn't understand.
When it comes to understanding grip levels my Mrs is a retard.
When comes to admin and paperwork I'm the retard.

When it comes to electrics I'm the retard (again )
When it comes to understanding car handling faults TheBoy is a retard, clearly!

We all have out plus and minus points.


However, I'd like to know the strong point of the retard who came up with this idea ? Because winter tyres in a country that has dull changeable weather all year round is no answer, when half the population are retards behind the wheel anyway.

There may or may not be a case for winter tyres, but there are far ore important issues to deal with first.

Yes, Mr Gixer's Prozac dose for example. 

and do gooding Wingebags that only turn up to stir the nest, that can't tell if their tyres have gone off due to storage.   maybe try some yourself D.

If 2 year old SC3's are so crap that 6 months of appropriate storage cause them to go off, then I wonder about their ability as a tyre/manufacturer. I also wonder why you would recommend such a crap tyre? And I am not whinging, just stating my experience. 

And I have had my double strength Prozac already, thank you very much! 

i have two year old sc3 in the garage I think, might be 3 years by now. But during a period of tyre swapping for wheel changes I had to fit the old ones. Performance had dropped of considerably.
 My experience the same with a couple of makes that where re fitted, for one reason or another. Falkens(ok shite tyres to start with) but they lost some grip after about 8 months. Pirelli where the same. P6000 is it? (Again not a great tyre)
It's not a case that just sc3 don't store well. Once the release agent is gone they oxidise, or whatever it's called. Green/blue/brown shed e over them. (Linglongs went brown for some reason, as they came on a set of wheels I bought 2(?) years ago, and are now re fitted on another car, purely to keep the rims off the floor)

Point is, tyres don't seem to store particularly well, but if yours are spinning up from a standing start on a stock 3.2 for whayever readon, they are below standard. Period.
Pressures, age, gone off, whatever. They are beyond their sell by date.

I don't have the issue on my "in use" tyres, because they've not been stored, because there is no need for winter tyres here.

I understand your use of them, makes sense, ESP given how sc3 behave in snow.

Of all the snow fallen this week, no inconvenience caused whatsoever. Sorry, there just isn't.

Simply because you have them, and fair play, doesn't mean we all need them. Hence the poll result. You lost, deal with it.

[cem_devecioglu]

do you brush your teeth with cotton ?
 
do you go out with summer suits and shoes when its snowing otside ?
 
do you cut the meat with scissors ?
 
No!  there may be cheap alternatives always but there are commonly preferred best solutions..
 
you purchase it or not , winter tyres are always the best solution..
 
 
I accept the fact that many families budgets may not permit expensive winter tyres.. and an extra set of wheels..
 
but still we have solutions.. you dont need a set of 18" low profile winter tyres  .. do you ?
 
why is not enough a set of 15 or 16 size.. which is already the cars alternative listed size.. does it need to be posh
 
and another alternative is all season tyres.. there are very good all season tyres that you can use whole year , may be sacrificing a bit in summer but wont let you in the middle of nowhere like summers do when things go worse.. I personally considered them..
 
And I defintely dont agree in the idea that they will have rare use..  and I also dont agree that you can keep the car parked..
 
what happens if it catches you on the road.. sometimes conditions occur so that there is a milisecond which seperates the life and death in an accident..I wouldnt want to loose my life in that milisecond just for unsuitable tyres.. and I have no doubt nobody will..
 
and as for priorities.. nothing has priority over human life..
 
say you send your children to the school with service.. would you accept its using summer tyres in winter ?
 
what happens if snow decides to stay more than a few days ? you cant lock your whole family in home for long..
 
 
 
 
 
 

[feeutfo]

Cem, I can afford 18's because I don't need winter tyres.

"We" generally, in the uk, don't need them. See the poll.

[feeutfo]

And a member here tried them, a top quality winter tyre, and they  put him in a ditch!

Maybe because they'd been stored, or where old. Perhaps?

[D]

And a member here tried them, a top quality winter tyre, and they  put him in a ditch!

Maybe because they'd been stored, or where old. Perhaps?

No because he only bought one pair and I am sure you agree differential grip is not good for any car. Now if he had spun off whilst on 4 winter tyres and driving safely, then I understand. Too many variables. He could have been speeding. Just because he says he wasnt, doesnt mean he actually wasn't.

[Lazydocker]

And a member here tried them, a top quality winter tyre, and they  put him in a ditch!

Maybe because they'd been stored, or where old. Perhaps?

No because he only bought one pair and I am sure you agree differential grip is not good for any car. Now if he had spun off whilst on 4 winter tyres and driving safely, then I understand. Too many variables. He could have been speeding. Just because he says he wasnt, doesnt mean he actually wasn't.

He had them on the drive axle though (rear) and I would take his word that he wasn't speeding, purely based on the fact that there was virtually no damage The back was what went, not the front (with good quality summer tyres )