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No

34 (82.9%)

Yes, when the roads are covered in snow

1 (2.4%)

Yes, from the end of October to the beginning of March

6 (14.6%)

Don't know

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 26

Voting closed: 25 January 2013, 21:19:08

[feeutfo]

You have your tirestyres to suit your needs. DON'T try to enforce it elsewhere, where you have no experience of...

ahem....

of all my typos, you want to point out that one?

[TheBoy]

I think the lesson learned is to only buy new tyres. The L'zens actually had less tread on them than the Goodyears but apart from slightly soft handling seemed to grip quite well. The Goodyears must have had some sort of contamination though because it was possible to spin them in the DTi before you'd hit the turbo in 1st gear so that must tell you something 

I would like to try a full set of new, matching winter tyres but i'm afraid funds just do not allow for that at the moment...

I think an important lesson, as I said pages ago, winters aren't a magic cure for snow, black ice, whatever. Neither are 4x4s.  Whilst they would/should have better grip at low temperatures, they are not a magic cure...



When I used to do a real job, I was called out to a road, report was telegraph pole had been knocked down.  Me and my mate turn up, yup, pole down, with a Rover 214 embedded in it, driver nowhere to be seen. Eventually, he appears, still in shock, muttering "this car is supposed to have ABS, which means its safe" as he sticks his foot in one of the headlamps. My comment to him is the same to people here - having some safety feature (or winter tyres) won't save you from driving like a <insert description>


Not suggesting for one minute that the quoted person was or does drive like a twonk. Far from it, knowing him...

[TheBoy]

You have your tirestyres to suit your needs. DON'T try to enforce it elsewhere, where you have no experience of...

ahem....

of all my typos, you want to point out that one?

It was in the bit I wanted to quote

[ted_one]

Christ! have you seen the way they drive in Turkey,I know a guy from there and he said to me that in some countries they drive on the left,and in some countries they drive on the right, BUT! in Turkey they have yet to decide!!.... perhaps snow tyres will solve the appalling standard of driving in both countries....NOT

[feeutfo]

And a member here tried them, a top quality winter tyre, and they  put him in a ditch!

Maybe because they'd been stored, or where old. Perhaps?

No because he only bought one pair and I am sure you agree differential grip is not good for any car. Now if he had spun off whilst on 4 winter tyres and driving safely, then I understand. Too many variables. He could have been speeding. Just because he says he wasnt, doesnt mean he actually wasn't.

He had them on the drive axle though (rear) and I would take his word that he wasn't speeding, purely based on the fact that there was virtually no damage The back was what went, not the front (with good quality summer tyres )

Ooohohhoo I missed this little gem.

So lets get this straight.

The best tyres must always go on the rear axle, regardless of front or rear wheel drive, because over steer is more dangerous.

If the above is true the best tyres to go on the back should have been the summer tyres. Because the winter tyres clearly where not  up to the job. In this case.

Correct?

[VXL V6]

And a member here tried them, a top quality winter tyre, and they  put him in a ditch!

Maybe because they'd been stored, or where old. Perhaps?

No because he only bought one pair and I am sure you agree differential grip is not good for any car. Now if he had spun off whilst on 4 winter tyres and driving safely, then I understand. Too many variables. He could have been speeding. Just because he says he wasnt, doesnt mean he actually wasn't.

He had them on the drive axle though (rear) and I would take his word that he wasn't speeding, purely based on the fact that there was virtually no damage The back was what went, not the front (with good quality summer tyres )

Ooohohhoo I missed this little gem.

So lets get this straight.

The best tyres must always go on the rear axle, regardless of front or rear wheel drive, because over steer is more dangerous.

If the above is true the best tyres to go on the back should have been the summer tyres. Because the winter tyres clearly where not  up to the job. In this case.

Correct?

Keep up Mr G... wind back a page!!!

[Sir Tigger KC]

With the cost of insurance, road tax and fuel, who the hell can afford to buy winter tyres anyway? 

When summer comes round again many people wouldn't change back to summer tyres because they couldn't afford to and would run round on winters all year round.    So what are the issues of driving with winter tyres in summer? 

That just ain't logical. You'd have the summer tyres stored somewhere from when they came off before winter. Unless of course they were worn out anyway. In which case you'd need to buy some anyway. Once the initial outlay has been made, that's it. No more spending than you would if you ran one set of tyres.

As Kevin Wood pointed out many folk can't be bothered or don't know how to change a lightbulb and that applies to changing wheels as well!  After all that's what the AA's for..right? 

I don't think that everyone would have another set of wheels with the winter tyres on neatly stacked in the shed.  A lot of people don't have the room for starters and a lot of people wouldn't be bothered and would buy the cheapest set of tyres every 6 months. 

The likes of Kwikfit would go on the hardsell offensive so if someone came in with a set of tyres/wheels to swap and there was say 4mm of tread left they'd be 'encouraged' to buy a new set!  And I bet the cost of changing a tyre would rocket as it'd be a nice little earner for the tyre fitters!! 

In my opinion the general standard of tyres would go down both in the summer and winter as people would buy the cheapest possible to the point that you would be better off with a set of quality standard tyres than a set of plastic chinese winter tyres that you didn't want in the first place, but you had to have because the bloody EU said so and plastic winters was all you could afford!!! 

[feeutfo]

And a member here tried them, a top quality winter tyre, and they  put him in a ditch!

Maybe because they'd been stored, or where old. Perhaps?

No because he only bought one pair and I am sure you agree differential grip is not good for any car. Now if he had spun off whilst on 4 winter tyres and driving safely, then I understand. Too many variables. He could have been speeding. Just because he says he wasnt, doesnt mean he actually wasn't.

He had them on the drive axle though (rear) and I would take his word that he wasn't speeding, purely based on the fact that there was virtually no damage The back was what went, not the front (with good quality summer tyres )

Ooohohhoo I missed this little gem.

So lets get this straight.

The best tyres must always go on the rear axle, regardless of front or rear wheel drive, because over steer is more dangerous.

If the above is true the best tyres to go on the back should have been the summer tyres. Because the winter tyres clearly where not  up to the job. In this case.

Correct?

Keep up Mr G... wind back a page!!!

yeah I know, I had to nip out. Women, no sense or timing.

[OOMV6]

What about Spain then? Compulsory winter tyres there?

Throughout Europe? Don't be daft.

even in antalya it snows where summers exceed 46+ celicus..  it simply doesnt mater how is summer.. if temperature drops and its wet you se them.. only on equator line they dont have use..

yes because that's YOUR climate. Why on earth would you assume the rest if the world is the same? Frost in the am, dos not mean you need winter tyres. It's can be 10c by lunch time here.

You have your tires to suit your needs. DON'T try to enforce it elsewhere, where you have no experience of that climate. We tried that in the crusades, and rightly learned a lesson. I suggest you try it cem. I wouldn't dare suggest banning winter tyres in a country I know nothing about.

In fact yes, I'll do a cem. Ready....

<cem mode on>
ALL WINTER TYRES SHOULD BE BANNED IN TURKEY.  I know nothing about the country I've never been there other than on the Internet, yet I know best and everyone who lives there s wrong.
<cem mode off>

See? Don't be so bloody ridiculous.

I do 

[feeutfo]

Shaddup you

[OOMV6]

Shaddup you

Hmm. Ok. 

[cem_devecioglu]

Christ! have you seen the way they drive in Turkey,I know a guy from there and he said to me that in some countries they drive on the left,and in some countries they drive on the right, BUT! in Turkey they have yet to decide!!.... perhaps snow tyres will solve the appalling standard of driving in both countries....NOT

   not sure still we decide..
 
 
 

[cem_devecioglu]

What about Spain then? Compulsory winter tyres there?

Throughout Europe? Don't be daft.

even in antalya it snows where summers exceed 46+ celicus..  it simply doesnt mater how is summer.. if temperature drops and its wet you se them.. only on equator line they dont have use..

yes because that's YOUR climate. Why on earth would you assume the rest if the world is the same? Frost in the am, dos not mean you need winter tyres. It's can be 10c by lunch time here.

You have your tires to suit your needs. DON'T try to enforce it elsewhere, where you have no experience of that climate.
 
 We tried that in the crusades, and rightly learned a lesson. I suggest you try it cem. I wouldn't dare suggest banning winter tyres in a country I know nothing about.

In fact yes, I'll do a cem. Ready....

<cem mode on>
ALL WINTER TYRES SHOULD BE BANNED IN TURKEY.  I know nothing about the country I've never been there other than on the Internet, yet I know best and everyone who lives there s wrong.
<cem mode off>

See? Don't be so bloody ridiculous.

 
what do you think, I live on mars   frost is frost, snow is snow, rain is rain and finally cold is cold in UK 
 
and your cars skid like ours and dont forget I can watch most of your roads on line.. so tell me something that I dont know..

[Rods2]

Christ! have you seen the way they drive in Turkey,I know a guy from there and he said to me that in some countries they drive on the left,and in some countries they drive on the right, BUT! in Turkey they have yet to decide!!.... perhaps snow tyres will solve the appalling standard of driving in both countries....NOT

It is the same in the Ukraine, except if the road is busy in a city, then they use pavement and pedestrians have to jump out of the way.  They have to keep the 7,000 deaths a year up with a fraction of UK cars somehow. 

To wear a seat belt means you are a coward and not a Cossack, while most of the old East European cars would never get near to 1 * for safety.

[bored bigyin54]

getting a bit bitchy on here