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[FRE07962128]

Had an interesting letter from 'Her Majesty`s Revenue'; it would appear that from November the 1st.; Red Diesel will not longer be available.
Legitimate cherry users (Farm, Plant-Equipment, Generators, Boaters/Bargees) will have to buy full price DERV and prove 'appropriate' commercial-only use to be able to claim back the dutiable portion of the cost as a HMC&E rebate.
Easy to prove for a registered company; well-nigh impossible for a boater, smallholder or home plant/generator user!

Needless U.K government/EU tinkering yet again....

I know who that will hit - railway preservation societies - how much is 1000 gallons?

Yes true, but only those that use those peckey diesels!!  
Steam forever I say, and bring them back to the main line for standard timetable running!

Imagine what the greenies would do then?  

[Marks DTM Calib]

It cant be cost effective to start processing a shed load of rebate papers!

Another quango is it!

[Kevin Wood]

That's great! They'll have to pretty much rubber stamp the refund applications. (How do you prove how much diesel a farmer needs anyway?) Then the stuff is not traceable so any excess will go straight into road vehicles with no prospect of tracing it.

Still, it'll no doubt keep a thousand breakless civil servants in work and provide an excuse for another public sector IT debacle to cripple the farming community by denying them what's due.

Kevin

[albitz]

just what the country needs-more civil servants.they might have to raid our pension funds again to be able to pay for their index linked version.

[Martin_1962]

Had an interesting letter from 'Her Majesty`s Revenue'; it would appear that from November the 1st.; Red Diesel will not longer be available.
Legitimate cherry users (Farm, Plant-Equipment, Generators, Boaters/Bargees) will have to buy full price DERV and prove 'appropriate' commercial-only use to be able to claim back the dutiable portion of the cost as a HMC&E rebate.
Easy to prove for a registered company; well-nigh impossible for a boater, smallholder or home plant/generator user!

Needless U.K government/EU tinkering yet again....

I know who that will hit - railway preservation societies - how much is 1000 gallons?

Yes true, but only those that use those peckey diesels!!  
Steam forever I say, and bring them back to the main line for standard timetable running!

Imagine what the greenies would do then?  

Kettles

Want to see smoke see this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-mX_XwDAV4

BTW my favourite two Diesel classes are better than any kettle

[Martin_1962]

That's great! They'll have to pretty much rubber stamp the refund applications. (How do you prove how much diesel a farmer needs anyway?) Then the stuff is not traceable so any excess will go straight into road vehicles with no prospect of tracing it.

Still, it'll no doubt keep a thousand breakless civil servants in work and provide an excuse for another public sector IT debacle to cripple the farming community by denying them what's due.

Kevin
 

Hmm my farmer cousin runs a TD Discovery - cheap fuel now I suppose

[Marks DTM Calib]

Kettles

Want to see smoke see this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-mX_XwDAV4

BTW my favourite two Diesel classes are better than any kettle

Ah yes, the old 12CSVT English Electric V12 diesel.....they have been load bank testing one at Ruddington recently.

I guess they had a bank shut down whilst idling in the station and hence the smoke!

[FRE07962128]

Had an interesting letter from 'Her Majesty`s Revenue'; it would appear that from November the 1st.; Red Diesel will not longer be available.
Legitimate cherry users (Farm, Plant-Equipment, Generators, Boaters/Bargees) will have to buy full price DERV and prove 'appropriate' commercial-only use to be able to claim back the dutiable portion of the cost as a HMC&E rebate.
Easy to prove for a registered company; well-nigh impossible for a boater, smallholder or home plant/generator user!

Needless U.K government/EU tinkering yet again....

I know who that will hit - railway preservation societies - how much is 1000 gallons?

Yes true, but only those that use those peckey diesels!!  
Steam forever I say, and bring them back to the main line for standard timetable running!

Imagine what the greenies would do then?  

Kettles

Want to see smoke see this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-mX_XwDAV4

BTW my favourite two Diesel classes are better than any kettle

Thanks for that!  Got to hand it to you Martin that is really good!  Is that a 'Peak' / Class 45 at the head of that train?  Whatever lovely sight and sound and, joking aside, I actually DO love many diesel classes; it's the sound of them I love!    

The fireman needs sacking though as he should adopt the rule "little and often" when shoveling the coal in, to avoid all that black smoke, and always place it in to the back corners of the firebox as well!  Sorry; just remembered it's a diesel; the 'fireman' cannot control things like that on one of those can he!!


PS I still see regulary around Ashford two immaculate class 37's usually on Dungerness nuclear waste disposal trains, but ocassionally on enthusiat "specials".  Lovely sight and sound again!
 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Network rail still uses the clas 37's although there are loads in Toton yard at the moment for disposal.

The Class 37 is actually pretty light (about 100tons but, not that powerful though) so can pull freight loads along some of the lighter duty lines (i.e. scotland and some of the goods branches) where a 60 or 66 would be to heavy.

In fact, they were re-building some at Barrow Hill for scottish use very recently.

Local to me they have, 3 class 20's, 1 class 25, 1 class 37, 2 calls 47's and 1 class 56 most of which are fully operational!

[Varche]

We have still got farm diesel here in Spain. I use very little in a year so it won't make much difference to me. Last lot was 3/4 price of normal diesel.

I will watch the situation and see what happens. Spain too is jumping on the follow EU directives bandwagon. We have to be acredited at pruning and spraying. All plastic containers for chemicals are recycled at point of sale (used to just be burnt at point of use!).

varche

[Drewomega]

Typical Socialist "we know how to run (ruin ?? ) your lives"  crap

Ah well! the peasants voted for a socialist government and that is exactly what they got!  

[Kevin Wood]

Thinking about this a little further, with theft of diesel from farms and other sites where it is stored a real problem at the moment, is making the diesel untraceable really a good idea?

Kevin

[Marks DTM Calib]

Thinking about this a little further, with theft of diesel from farms and other sites where it is stored a real problem at the moment, is making the diesel untraceable really a good idea?

Kevin

No but, when have you ever seen a politician apply logic!

[Martin_1962]

Kettles

Want to see smoke see this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-mX_XwDAV4

BTW my favourite two Diesel classes are better than any kettle

Ah yes, the old 12CSVT English Electric V12 diesel.....they have been load bank testing one at Ruddington recently.

I guess they had a bank shut down whilst idling in the station and hence the smoke!

No that one AFAIR was just leaky injectors.

[Martin_1962]

Had an interesting letter from 'Her Majesty`s Revenue'; it would appear that from November the 1st.; Red Diesel will not longer be available.
Legitimate cherry users (Farm, Plant-Equipment, Generators, Boaters/Bargees) will have to buy full price DERV and prove 'appropriate' commercial-only use to be able to claim back the dutiable portion of the cost as a HMC&E rebate.
Easy to prove for a registered company; well-nigh impossible for a boater, smallholder or home plant/generator user!

Needless U.K government/EU tinkering yet again....

I know who that will hit - railway preservation societies - how much is 1000 gallons?

Yes true, but only those that use those peckey diesels!!  
Steam forever I say, and bring them back to the main line for standard timetable running!

Imagine what the greenies would do then?  

Kettles

Want to see smoke see this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-mX_XwDAV4

BTW my favourite two Diesel classes are better than any kettle

Thanks for that!  Got to hand it to you Martin that is really good!  Is that a 'Peak' / Class 45 at the head of that train?  Whatever lovely sight and sound and, joking aside, I actually DO love many diesel classes; it's the sound of them I love!    

The fireman needs sacking though as he should adopt the rule "little and often" when shoveling the coal in, to avoid all that black smoke, and always place it in to the back corners of the firebox as well!  Sorry; just remembered it's a diesel; the 'fireman' cannot control things like that on one of those can he!!


PS I still see regulary around Ashford two immaculate class 37's usually on Dungerness nuclear waste disposal trains, but ocassionally on enthusiat "specials".  Lovely sight and sound again!
 

It's a 37

The EE engines do sound nicer than Sulzers. And the charge cooled ones better than the non charge cooled.

The original traction versions from the mid 30s are the direct ancestors.

C Charge Cooled
S Turbo
K Straight
C C
T Traction

6KT shunter engine - 350bhp
Turbo intercooled 4 was 600bhp
Turbo V8 1000bhp
Turbo V16 started at 1600 (LMS 10000) then 1750 (SR 10201) finally 2000 (SR 10203 & Class 40s) added charge cooling 2700bhp, last used in the class 56 at 3250bhp