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Another Red Light District under threat
« on: 05 November 2008, 17:59:57 »

http://www.simplyamsterdam.nl/news/Red_Light_District_in_Alkmaar_also_under_siege.htm

Don't get me wrong here (I have a girlfriend :D ) but I actually think these tolerance zones should be encouraged for such activities and given the support of local authorities and the Police.

End of the day, closing down such an area is only going to push things underground, rather than eradicate it - with the end result being increases in crime, diseases, etc.

I personally am against closing down these red light districts.

Controversial I know - any views?
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Re: Another Red Light District under threat
« Reply #1 on: 05 November 2008, 18:01:08 »

im all for it, saves me a few quid every weekend  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Another Red Light District under threat
« Reply #2 on: 05 November 2008, 18:02:46 »

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im all for it, saves me a few quid every weekend  ;D ;D ;D

Lol you dirty old man :D
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Re: Another Red Light District under threat
« Reply #3 on: 05 November 2008, 18:11:32 »

 i worked with a bloke a few yrs ago, one of the nicest blokes ive ever known, he was obsessed with them, every weekend he would do all his money on them and borrow all week, permanat scabs on his face, then he came into work one day after a weekend on drugs and pros, this is what happened to him, nobody has heard from him in 3 yrs now, he just vanished



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Re: Another Red Light District under threat
« Reply #4 on: 05 November 2008, 18:11:50 »

there was a time when the Red light areas in holland were one of the tourist attractions, i have been through the one in Amsterdam, with my then girlfriend i hasten to add.

I know this is going off thread a little but how would you feel if your local council set up an area of tolerance in/around your nieghbourhood? yes i know i am playing devils advocate here but i am trying to see it from the view point of the local residents and the council.

the other argument they are putting forward there is the fact that the funding could be from illegal activity......

I have a few friends who are dutch and they are tired of the perception that they are all doped up sex mad hippies who have a very laid back approach to life, possibly this is the first step in them changing that perception
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Re: Another Red Light District under threat
« Reply #5 on: 05 November 2008, 18:13:13 »

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i worked with a bloke a few yrs ago, one of the nicest blokes ive ever known, he was obsessed with them, every weekend he would do all his money on them and borrow all week, permanat scabs on his face, then he came into work one day after a weekend on drugs and pros, this is what happened to him, nobody has heard from him in 3 yrs now, he just vanished




that's a hell of a whipping!!!!!! :o :o :o :o

was that in the UK or holland?
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« Reply #6 on: 05 November 2008, 18:19:59 »

we was in preston 4 months at the time, fishergate i think it was called. i tried to tell him crack was rather him up but he swore it was just a weekend drug,  we became great m8s working there, he put me up at his flat for a while. but he used to just vanish when we were out. after we worked in reading i could see he looked real ill and tried to get him to seek help but he laughed it off, few weeks later he just disapeared into thin air, never heard from him since.  big big shame as he was a great bloke to know
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« Reply #7 on: 05 November 2008, 18:21:35 »

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i worked with a bloke a few yrs ago, one of the nicest blokes ive ever known, he was obsessed with them, every weekend he would do all his money on them and borrow all week, permanat scabs on his face, then he came into work one day after a weekend on drugs and pros, this is what happened to him, nobody has heard from him in 3 yrs now, he just vanished




that's a hell of a whipping!!!!!! :o :o :o :o

was that in the UK or holland?

sorry, wasnt whips, it was finger nails and his whole body was like it. looked like he fell into a vat of stanley blades
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« Reply #8 on: 05 November 2008, 18:26:14 »

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i worked with a bloke a few yrs ago, one of the nicest blokes ive ever known, he was obsessed with them, every weekend he would do all his money on them and borrow all week, permanat scabs on his face, then he came into work one day after a weekend on drugs and pros, this is what happened to him, nobody has heard from him in 3 yrs now, he just vanished




that's a hell of a whipping!!!!!! :o :o :o :o

was that in the UK or holland?

sorry, wasnt whips, it was finger nails and his whole body was like it. looked like he fell into a vat of stanley blades

bloody hell  :o :o :o :o

looks painful whatever caused it
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Re: Another Red Light District under threat
« Reply #9 on: 05 November 2008, 19:21:31 »

I'm going on the 14th, as long as the weed stays I'll be there, the tarts are good to window shop but are for dirty old men,

Best go in the shops and look at the mags until the owner turfs you out

'this is not a library, buy something or get out'
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Re: Another Red Light District under threat
« Reply #10 on: 05 November 2008, 19:37:04 »

Seen it from a number of angles when I was being shipped round the world for work and sad to say there is no 'right way' to do it. There are a number of wrong ways and stamping down on the girls is (fortunately) now being recognised as one of them. This is very much a supply and demand where the supply is virtually unlimited so you need to regulate the demand.
The most effective I have seen was a 'tolerated in a controlled way' as it allowed the health and disease side to be monitored making the freelancers a much less desirable route and when run in conjunction with hammering kerb-crawlers it is very effective. This route allows you to keep the trade away from residential areas in the main.

The other advantage is that if it is allowed then it can be taxed!!!
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Re: Another Red Light District under threat
« Reply #11 on: 05 November 2008, 19:38:19 »

Call me old fashoined but I think the whole thing is just sad.
Detached sex makes people feel empty,and what has happened to those girls to bring them to the point where they sell their bodies. :(
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« Reply #12 on: 05 November 2008, 20:48:16 »

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Call me old fashoined but I think the whole thing is just sad.
Detached sex makes people feel empty,and what has happened to those girls to bring them to the point where they sell their bodies. :(

very good point..

but solution is not..oldest job in history ..as long as there is demand will be the supply.. :-/
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« Reply #13 on: 05 November 2008, 20:59:12 »

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Seen it from a number of angles and sad to say there is no 'right way' to do it.

i agree this is very much a double edged sword.....

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There are a number of wrong ways and stamping down on the girls is (fortunately) now being recognised as one of them. This is very much a supply and demand where the supply is virtually unlimited so you need to regulate the demand.

again the risk with hammering the girls is they are driven more and more underground, this means that just keeping a basic eye on things becomes more difficult and, heaven forbid, if we had a repeat of the ripper or that chap in Ipswich it becomes even more difficult to track because the girls are trying to keep out of the way of the law

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The most effective I have seen was a 'tolerated in a controlled way' as it allowed the health and disease side to be monitored making the freelancers a much less desirable route and when run in conjunction with hammering kerb-crawlers it is very effective. This route allows you to keep the trade away from residential areas in the main.
The other advantage is that if it is allowed then it can be taxed!!

yes, having a 'tolerance area' will assist in the control of disease and makes dealing with abuse issues far easier, the issue then lies with 'where do you put these areas?'
i believe some years ago there were trials of tolerance areas in parts of northern england and scotland, the girls were encouraged to use industrial areas in order to maintain a human presence and so hopefully drive down crime, but the lorry drivers who used these areas for breaks and the local residents were up in arms as what was a quiet area on an evening had turned into a constantly busy part of town, there was also the issue of used condoms and needles all over the place as well.
The ability to enforce tax upon the girls is a good idea, but you have to think about why they are doing this? it is not to make a million, for the majority they are feeding a drug habit or they are being forced into this to feed someone else's drug habit, getting them to do an end of year self assessment is going to be a complete non starter, no doubt they would try and claim the drugs as 'business use'

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Call me old fashioned but I think the whole thing is just sad.
Detached sex makes people feel empty,and what has happened to those girls to bring them to the point where they sell their bodies

a lot of it is issues i have covered above, but going back to your first statement about it being sad, yes i agree, but for many detached sex is what they want, no fuss, no risk of a bunny boiler, just pay the money and do the deed, a means to an end, and in reality a lot of society is like that these days....detached, emotionless, sad i know.

i used to work with a guy who was in his early 20, he loved spending his money on pros, like the chap Richie was on about, he would get to the week before payday and go asking people in work if they would lend him a tenner or £20, he even went up to accounts and asked for an advance on his wages, and was very direct when they asked him what he wanted it for!!! he saw nothing wrong with it  :-/ :-/

There is no right way of dealing with this, but control would be the less contentious, but its a brave government who attempts to deal with it in the UK
  
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« Reply #14 on: 05 November 2008, 21:53:59 »

What's wrong with detached sex? Never made me feel empty mate. Have you never had a w*nk or a one night stand?
    Stop being so soppy. It might suprise you to know girls use blokes for sex as well. God bless the age of equality & in case you had'nt noticed "Massage Parlours" have been legal & government approved for some time now. I don't think you're being old fashioned mate, but you speak before you think & are a little wet behind the ears.
    Prostitution is legal in the UK & why not? We pay for everything else. ::)
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