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[albitz]

It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here.

No Albs, he went to Harrow from 1888 to 1892.

There is nothing wrong with Eton or Harrow, which have steadily produced the leaders this country has required at crucial times in history.

It is only jealousy and snobbery that ignores the fact these are great learning institutions, which if you had the money you would want your children to attend.

The problem is that you need money to give your child the best education possible, and that is the shame of our non-meritocractic education system, which holds back working and middle class children.

The answer to this problem imo is grammar schools,we are lucky to still have a few in Essex,and both of my children benifited from the superb education offered by them,they were all but wiped out in most of the uk by the socialist dumbing down educational policies and have denied many bright children from "ordinary" backgrounds the chance to better themselves.Nowadays bright kids usually have to go to comprehensives were almost everyone  is taught to exactly the same low standard,so the talented kids are left bored and unfulfilled.
I dont see why they cant be re-introduced but rebranded as some kind of special needs schools,after all if the kids at one end of the spectrum are classed as special needs,and seperated out from the mainstream in order to fulfill their particular requirements,then why cant the kids at the other end of the spectrum have the same thinking applied to their needs.
The big problem with socialists is that they think we are all the same (when it suits them) but we arent.
Rant over.

[albitz]

It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here.

No Albs, he went to Harrow from 1888 to 1892.

There is nothing wrong with Eton or Harrow, which have steadily produced the leaders this country has required at crucial times in history.

It is only jealousy and snobbery that ignores the fact these are great learning institutions, which if you had the money you would want your children to attend.

The problem is that you need money to give your child the best education possible, and that is the shame of our non-meritocractic education system, which holds back working and middle class children.

The answer to this problem imo is grammar schools,we are lucky to still have a few in Essex,and both of my children benifited from the superb education offered by them,they were all but wiped out in most of the uk by the socialist dumbing down educational policies and have denied many bright children from "ordinary" backgrounds the chance to better themselves.Nowadays bright kids usually have to go to comprehensives were almost everyone  is taught to exactly the same low standard,so the talented kids are left bored and unfulfilled.
I dont see why they cant be re-introduced but rebranded as some kind of special needs schools,after all if the kids at one end of the spectrum are classed as special needs,and seperated out from the mainstream in order to fulfill their particular requirements,then why cant the kids at the other end of the spectrum have the same thinking applied to their needs.
The big problem with socialists is that they think we are all the same (when it suits them) but we arent.
Rant over.

Its interesting that Norn Irn retained all of its grammar schools until recently,when Sinn Fein (very socialist) got hold of quite a few levers of power,they are now in the process of making the same mess of the education system as Labour have on the mainland.

[Gaffers]

To deny someone a fair chance at governing our country because of who he is a descendant of or where he went to school is just wrong, whether it is Eton Or Crapsville High School.  Positive discrimination is probably the worse of all human traits.

[Pitchfork]

I actually enjoyed my time at Eaton

Splendid, Pitchfork

The Grand Piano in the main Hall is a splendid Steinway, gets tuned by a man from Steinway before each time it is used

[Martin_1962]

It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here.

No Albs, he went to Harrow from 1888 to 1892.

There is nothing wrong with Eton or Harrow, which have steadily produced the leaders this country has required at crucial times in history.

It is only jealousy and snobbery that ignores the fact these are great learning institutions, which if you had the money you would want your children to attend.

The problem is that you need money to give your child the best education possible, and that is the shame of our non-meritocractic education system, which holds back working and middle class children.

The answer to this problem imo is grammar schools,we are lucky to still have a few in Essex,and both of my children benifited from the superb education offered by them,they were all but wiped out in most of the uk by the socialist dumbing down educational policies and have denied many bright children from "ordinary" backgrounds the chance to better themselves.Nowadays bright kids usually have to go to comprehensives were almost everyone  is taught to exactly the same low standard,so the talented kids are left bored and unfulfilled.
I dont see why they cant be re-introduced but rebranded as some kind of special needs schools,after all if the kids at one end of the spectrum are classed as special needs,and seperated out from the mainstream in order to fulfill their particular requirements,then why cant the kids at the other end of the spectrum have the same thinking applied to their needs.
The big problem with socialists is that they think we are all the same (when it suits them) but we arent.
Rant over.

My daughter won a place at a Grammar school, best school in Worcester

[crazyjoetavola]

I actually enjoyed my time at Eaton

Splendid, Pitchfork

The Grand Piano in the main Hall is a splendid Steinway, gets tuned by a man from Steinway before each time it is used

As it should, my dear Pitchfork, as it should

[crazyjoetavola]

It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here.

No Albs, he went to Harrow from 1888 to 1892.

There is nothing wrong with Eton or Harrow, which have steadily produced the leaders this country has required at crucial times in history.

It is only jealousy and snobbery that ignores the fact these are great learning institutions, which if you had the money you would want your children to attend.

The problem is that you need money to give your child the best education possible, and that is the shame of our non-meritocractic education system, which holds back working and middle class children.

The answer to this problem imo is grammar schools,we are lucky to still have a few in Essex,and both of my children benifited from the superb education offered by them,they were all but wiped out in most of the uk by the socialist dumbing down educational policies and have denied many bright children from "ordinary" backgrounds the chance to better themselves.Nowadays bright kids usually have to go to comprehensives were almost everyone  is taught to exactly the same low standard,so the talented kids are left bored and unfulfilled.
I dont see why they cant be re-introduced but rebranded as some kind of special needs schools,after all if the kids at one end of the spectrum are classed as special needs,and seperated out from the mainstream in order to fulfill their particular requirements,then why cant the kids at the other end of the spectrum have the same thinking applied to their needs.
The big problem with socialists is that they think we are all the same (when it suits them) but we arent.
Rant over.

Its interesting that Norn Irn retained all of its grammar schools until recently,when Sinn Fein (very socialist) got hold of quite a few levers of power,they are now in the process of making the same mess of the education system as Labour have on the mainland.

.....only to make a complete and utter balls up Albs :-/ :-/

[crazyjoetavola]

It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here.

No Albs, he went to Harrow from 1888 to 1892.

There is nothing wrong with Eton or Harrow, which have steadily produced the leaders this country has required at crucial times in history.

It is only jealousy and snobbery that ignores the fact these are great learning institutions, which if you had the money you would want your children to attend.

The problem is that you need money to give your child the best education possible, and that is the shame of our non-meritocractic education system, which holds back working and middle class children.

The answer to this problem imo is grammar schools,we are lucky to still have a few in Essex,and both of my children benifited from the superb education offered by them,they were all but wiped out in most of the uk by the socialist dumbing down educational policies and have denied many bright children from "ordinary" backgrounds the chance to better themselves.Nowadays bright kids usually have to go to comprehensives were almost everyone  is taught to exactly the same low standard,so the talented kids are left bored and unfulfilled.
I dont see why they cant be re-introduced but rebranded as some kind of special needs schools,after all if the kids at one end of the spectrum are classed as special needs,and seperated out from the mainstream in order to fulfill their particular requirements,then why cant the kids at the other end of the spectrum have the same thinking applied to their needs.
The big problem with socialists is that they think we are all the same (when it suits them) but we arent.
Rant over.

........and that's where the doctrine fails Albs - the individual cannot be subsumed into the collective. 

When this is attempted the only result is oppression.  

How many socialist oriented states ultimately exist through dogma, dictat and oppression - all laced, quite liberally with paranoia

[STMO123]

A descendant of King William IV
I went to the same prep school as Prince Edward then on to Eton and Oxford.
I spent 3months in Hong Kong in a job daddy(a wealthy stockboker married to the daughter of a Baronet) arranged for me.
I now wish to represent the people of Britain along with 18 of my chums from Eton - and it looks like I'll get my wish....
I have a worm-like appearance and no policies.

Who am I?     :-?

I couldn't care rather less

[cem_devecioglu]

It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here.

No Albs, he went to Harrow from 1888 to 1892.

There is nothing wrong with Eton or Harrow, which have steadily produced the leaders this country has required at crucial times in history.

It is only jealousy and snobbery that ignores the fact these are great learning institutions, which if you had the money you would want your children to attend.

The problem is that you need money to give your child the best education possible, and that is the shame of our non-meritocractic education system, which holds back working and middle class children.

The answer to this problem imo is grammar schools,we are lucky to still have a few in Essex,and both of my children benifited from the superb education offered by them,they were all but wiped out in most of the uk by the socialist dumbing down educational policies and have denied many bright children from "ordinary" backgrounds the chance to better themselves.Nowadays bright kids usually have to go to comprehensives were almost everyone  is taught to exactly the same low standard,so the talented kids are left bored and unfulfilled.
I dont see why they cant be re-introduced but rebranded as some kind of special needs schools,after all if the kids at one end of the spectrum are classed as special needs,and seperated out from the mainstream in order to fulfill their particular requirements,then why cant the kids at the other end of the spectrum have the same thinking applied to their needs.
The big problem with socialists is that they think we are all the same (when it suits them) but we arent.
Rant over.

pardon me, but imho there is no real socialist system at this decade..so cant agree..

in another system we are considered as "standard"  consumers 

and some limited specials which have rights depending on their buying ability

[albitz]

I dont really disagree Cem,I just think that the alternative is the  lesser of the 2 evils.

[STMO123]

A descendant of King William IV
I went to the same prep school as Prince Edward then on to Eton and Oxford.
I spent 3months in Hong Kong in a job daddy(a wealthy stockboker married to the daughter of a Baronet) arranged for me.
I now wish to represent the people of Britain along with 18 of my chums from Eton - and it looks like I'll get my wish....
I have a worm-like appearance and no policies.

Who am I?     :-?

I couldn't care rather less

I went to grammar school by the way

[crazyjoetavola]

It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here.

No Albs, he went to Harrow from 1888 to 1892.

There is nothing wrong with Eton or Harrow, which have steadily produced the leaders this country has required at crucial times in history.

It is only jealousy and snobbery that ignores the fact these are great learning institutions, which if you had the money you would want your children to attend.

The problem is that you need money to give your child the best education possible, and that is the shame of our non-meritocractic education system, which holds back working and middle class children.

The answer to this problem imo is grammar schools,we are lucky to still have a few in Essex,and both of my children benifited from the superb education offered by them,they were all but wiped out in most of the uk by the socialist dumbing down educational policies and have denied many bright children from "ordinary" backgrounds the chance to better themselves.Nowadays bright kids usually have to go to comprehensives were almost everyone  is taught to exactly the same low standard,so the talented kids are left bored and unfulfilled.
I dont see why they cant be re-introduced but rebranded as some kind of special needs schools,after all if the kids at one end of the spectrum are classed as special needs,and seperated out from the mainstream in order to fulfill their particular requirements,then why cant the kids at the other end of the spectrum have the same thinking applied to their needs.
The big problem with socialists is that they think we are all the same (when it suits them) but we arent.
Rant over.

pardon me, but imho there is no real socialist system at this decade..so cant agree..

in another system we are considered as "standard"  consumers 

and some limited specials which have rights depending on their buying ability

The unpalatable fact which will always show the socialist ideal for what it is - unfair, flawed, and more equal for some than for others

[cem_devecioglu]

a system which pretends to be socialist at least must satisfy some definitions..

of which still there is not a complete agreement on..

some who tries, either dont have enough economic power to satisfy even some basic needs so forced to live under strict rules outlined by economic realities..

and some, who really have at least close to enough ratio of that economic power has been tied by some very strong political-economic power groups for centuries  and unfortunately plays n th episode of endless theater :-/

[crazyjoetavola]

a system which pretends to be socialist at least must satisfy some definitions..

of which still there is not a complete agreement on..

some who tries, either dont have enough economic power to satisfy even some basic needs so forced to live under strict rules outlined by economic realities..

and some, who really have at least close to enough ratio of that economic power has been tied by some very strong political-economic power groups for centuries  and unfortunately plays n th episode of endless theater :-/

....and so cem, the enigma once more cloaks the clarity and openness needed for the ideal to function