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[crazyjoetavola]

i agree with most of what you say Zulu - as usual you're irritatingly well balanced and fair !!

i don't deny he wasn't a saint - but really, he wasn't in a position to be - i believe he often stated that to overthrow a regime you can't do it without violence(it was much more poetic than that - but i can't recall the exact quote) - i actually dont agree with that- i believe you can overthrow dictatorships without bloodshed - it just hasn't happened yet (to my knowledge - i'm prepared to be wrong on that)

i'm not and have never been a marxist(despite waht nickbat'll tell you  ) - i remain impressed with Che Guaverra and his life, achievements and beliefs in what was right and wrong.

to me he's a folk hero alongside Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King.

you may disagree with his politics - you can't deny his heart and passion.

oh and Cem - you're right about media portrayals and how people are viewed in different parts of the world - i remember Mrs Thatcher referring to Mandela as a terrorist and Gen Pinochet a


....really bannjaxx - you've made me rather  thank you for it all the same.

You're right of course, there is no black and white, no absolute right or wrong - I have been witness to that in the course of my career.

I have also discovered, as I've said to cem, that we all hold much more in common than we suspect and it's only after much upheaval that we realize it.

[Banjax]

Martin Luther King and Ghandi are both big heros of mine(didnt Ghandi overthrow a type of regime without violence?),I wouldnt mention either Mandela or guevarra in the same sentence as either of them.

of course! - i told you i was wrong 

[Banjax]

i agree with most of what you say Zulu - as usual you're irritatingly well balanced and fair !!

i don't deny he wasn't a saint - but really, he wasn't in a position to be - i believe he often stated that to overthrow a regime you can't do it without violence(it was much more poetic than that - but i can't recall the exact quote) - i actually dont agree with that- i believe you can overthrow dictatorships without bloodshed - it just hasn't happened yet (to my knowledge - i'm prepared to be wrong on that)

i'm not and have never been a marxist(despite waht nickbat'll tell you  ) - i remain impressed with Che Guaverra and his life, achievements and beliefs in what was right and wrong.

to me he's a folk hero alongside Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King.

you may disagree with his politics - you can't deny his heart and passion.

oh and Cem - you're right about media portrayals and how people are viewed in different parts of the world - i remember Mrs Thatcher referring to Mandela as a terrorist and Gen Pinochet a


....really bannjaxx - you've made me rather  thank you for it all the same.

You're right of course, there is no black and white, no absolute right or wrong - I have been witness to that in the course of my career.

I have also discovered, as I've said to cem, that we all hold much more in common than we suspect and it's only after much upheaval that we realize it.

thats it - Zulu77 for PM!!!!!

[crazyjoetavola]

Martin Luther King and Ghandi are both big heros of mine(didnt Ghandi overthrow a type of regime without violence?),I wouldnt mention either Mandela or guevarra in the same sentence as either of them.

...you're cookin' there albs

[Nickbat]

Bannjaxx: i'm not and have never been a marxist(despite waht nickbat'll tell you  )  -

Listen, Sunshine, you have to be a Marxist otherwise my Marx Brothers' quip falls flat on its face! 

[cem_devecioglu]

Banjaxx you see, we are in trouble.. and if you leave me alone

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Blimey this beats even my efforts to high jack a thread!

I started to read the thread about the top 10 worst cars, and I have come back on tonight to find out it is now all about Marxists ( )

Well done, I'm impressed! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

[cem_devecioglu]

Blimey this beats even my efforts to high jack a thread!

I started to read the thread about the top 10 worst cars, and I have come back on tonight to find out it is now all about Marxists ( )

Well done, I'm impressed! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

 

[crazyjoetavola]

Blimey this beats even my efforts to high jack a thread!

I started to read the thread about the top 10 worst cars, and I have come back on tonight to find out it is now all about Marxists ( )

Well done, I'm impressed! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

..thank's very much Ms Zoom - we aim to please 8-) 8-)

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Blimey this beats even my efforts to high jack a thread!

I started to read the thread about the top 10 worst cars, and I have come back on tonight to find out it is now all about Marxists ( )

Well done, I'm impressed! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

..thank very much Ms Zoom - we aim to please 8-) 8-)

Well you never disappoint Zulu!! 8-) 8-) 8-)

[Banjax]

Bannjaxx: i'm not and have never been a marxist(despite waht nickbat'll tell you  )  -

Listen, Sunshine, you have to be a Marxist otherwise my Marx Brothers' quip falls flat on its face! 

  if Cem's Karl Marx - i'll be Groucho 

[Banjax]

Blimey this beats even my efforts to high jack a thread!

I started to read the thread about the top 10 worst cars, and I have come back on tonight to find out it is now all about Marxists ( )

Well done, I'm impressed! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

..thank very much Ms Zoom - we aim to please 8-) 8-)

Well you never disappoint Zulu!! 8-) 8-) 8-)

OOF - Off-topic, Outraged Fisticuffs

[cem_devecioglu]

Bannjaxx: i'm not and have never been a marxist(despite waht nickbat'll tell you  )  -

Listen, Sunshine, you have to be a Marxist otherwise my Marx Brothers' quip falls flat on its face! 

  if Cem's Karl Marx - i'll be Groucho 

ok how is that..

"workers of all countries , unite"

[Banjax]

Bannjaxx: i'm not and have never been a marxist(despite waht nickbat'll tell you  )  -

Listen, Sunshine, you have to be a Marxist otherwise my Marx Brothers' quip falls flat on its face! 

  if Cem's Karl Marx - i'll be Groucho 

ok how is that..

"workers of all countries , unite"

Power to the People Comrade Cem!! 

[cem_devecioglu]

Bannjaxx: i'm not and have never been a marxist(despite waht nickbat'll tell you  )  -

Listen, Sunshine, you have to be a Marxist otherwise my Marx Brothers' quip falls flat on its face! 

  if Cem's Karl Marx - i'll be Groucho 

ok how is that..

"workers of all countries , unite"

Power to the People Comrade Cem!! 

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