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[omega3000]

No mmate power of the future will be-feet or horses

No mate 
Available now we can get solar panel fixed to scoots now , so all we need is the sun ..oh dear 

[symes]

No mmate power of the future will be-feet or horses

No mate 
Available now we can get solar panel fixed to scoots now , so all we need is the sun ..oh dear 

Seriously think theres a little problem here

[jimac]

Plus, the only way it could be implemented properly would be for the "RFL" element of fuel tax to be collected separately at source. If it was rolled into fuel duty then it would never end up where it should After all, the money they currently collect in Fuel Duty doesn't always end up where it should and is just treated as a "Flexible Income" (or "Overtime" in layman's terms) for the Treasury

Just to clear this one up, we have not paid for a "Road Fund Licence" for many, many years.  The "Tax Disc" is actually Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) and is, like many other taxes, simply regarded as income for the Treasury.  It is not intended to pay for road building, or maintenance or improvements.

[Macduff]

vote for Lizzie . at least if RFL was scrapped in favour Pay as you drive everyone would pay including all the skankers who don't pay at the moment so we probably would not need such a large hyke in prices at the pump with everybody paying:y
While on the subject of skankers perhaps when your in power Lizzie can you introduce a life time ban for people who don't insure their cars 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

vote for Lizzie . at least if RFL was scrapped in favour Pay as you drive everyone would pay including all the skankers who don't pay at the moment so we probably would not need such a large hyke in prices at the pump with everybody paying:y
While on the subject of skankers perhaps when your in power Lizzie can you introduce a life time ban for people who don't insure their cars 

I would love to do that Macduff.

There are all too many, especially the young, but not only the young, who are trying hard to avoid the very high premiums, that are putting us all at risk as they are often the ones who do not keep their cars legal in many respects, including being uninsured.  As with road tax and replacing that with PayGo, I would like to link the purchasing of petrol to providing proof that someone is insured by some form of electronic swipe card, linked to the central DVLA computer system.  All garages would be required to have ANPR cameras that views the vehicles registration and links the information held with the swipe cards details, perhaps along with fingerprint recognition.  Only those shown as being the insured driver with that vehicle and/or another vehicle registered with the DVLA, with also being in possession of a full licence, could purchase the petrol.  Any attempted breaches would be automatically flagged up to the police. If convicted, those for the first offence would be banned for three years. Second time five years. Third time, final strike full lifetime ban.

Big brother control?  Absolutely, and why not if it saves lives and protects the law abiding citizens.  If you drive a car it is a big responsibility, and everyone should enter into "the social contract" of providing personal details to prove they can legally drive a motor vehicle.  Time to act I believe!

[grain.ben]

vote for Lizzie . at least if RFL was scrapped in favour Pay as you drive everyone would pay including all the skankers who don't pay at the moment so we probably would not need such a large hyke in prices at the pump with everybody paying:y
While on the subject of skankers perhaps when your in power Lizzie can you introduce a life time ban for people who don't insure their cars 

I would love to do that Macduff.

There are all too many, especially the young, but not only the young, who are trying hard to avoid the very high premiums, that are putting us all at risk as they are often the ones who do not keep their cars legal in many respects, including being uninsured.  As with road tax and replacing that with PayGo, I would like to link the purchasing of petrol to providing proof that someone is insured by some form of electronic swipe card, linked to the central DVLA computer system.  All garages would be required to have ANPR cameras that views the vehicles registration and links the information held with the swipe cards details, perhaps along with fingerprint recognition.  Only those shown as being the insured driver with that vehicle and/or another vehicle registered with the DVLA, with also being in possession of a full licence, could purchase the petrol.  Any attempted breaches would be automatically flagged up to the police. If convicted, those for the first offence would be banned for three years. Second time five years. Third time, final strike full lifetime ban.

Big brother control?  Absolutely, and why not if it saves lives and protects the law abiding citizens.  If you drive a car it is a big responsibility, and everyone should enter into "the social contract" of providing personal details to prove they can legally drive a motor vehicle.  Time to act I believe!

Absolutely agree with every word there Lizzie  but there is a flaw, if all that came into force, then you would still have illegal drivers on the road like we do now, its not going to be hard for chavs ect ect to get their hands on fuel, they would just pay a mate to get the fuel for them and pray they dont get caught  , punishing drivers makes no difference at all unless they are behind bars.

[jimac]

vote for Lizzie . at least if RFL was scrapped in favour Pay as you drive everyone would pay including all the skankers who don't pay at the moment so we probably would not need such a large hyke in prices at the pump with everybody paying:y
While on the subject of skankers perhaps when your in power Lizzie can you introduce a life time ban for people who don't insure their cars 

I would love to do that Macduff.

There are all too many, especially the young, but not only the young, who are trying hard to avoid the very high premiums, that are putting us all at risk as they are often the ones who do not keep their cars legal in many respects, including being uninsured.  As with road tax and replacing that with PayGo, I would like to link the purchasing of petrol to providing proof that someone is insured by some form of electronic swipe card, linked to the central DVLA computer system.  All garages would be required to have ANPR cameras that views the vehicles registration and links the information held with the swipe cards details, perhaps along with fingerprint recognition.  Only those shown as being the insured driver with that vehicle and/or another vehicle registered with the DVLA, with also being in possession of a full licence, could purchase the petrol.  Any attempted breaches would be automatically flagged up to the police. If convicted, those for the first offence would be banned for three years. Second time five years. Third time, final strike full lifetime ban.

Big brother control?  Absolutely, and why not if it saves lives and protects the law abiding citizens.  If you drive a car it is a big responsibility, and everyone should enter into "the social contract" of providing personal details to prove they can legally drive a motor vehicle.  Time to act I believe!

Crikey!  It would be easier to buy heroin than petrol!

And how would I get a gallon for my lawnmower?

[Lizzie_Zoom]

vote for Lizzie . at least if RFL was scrapped in favour Pay as you drive everyone would pay including all the skankers who don't pay at the moment so we probably would not need such a large hyke in prices at the pump with everybody paying:y
While on the subject of skankers perhaps when your in power Lizzie can you introduce a life time ban for people who don't insure their cars 

I would love to do that Macduff.

There are all too many, especially the young, but not only the young, who are trying hard to avoid the very high premiums, that are putting us all at risk as they are often the ones who do not keep their cars legal in many respects, including being uninsured.  As with road tax and replacing that with PayGo, I would like to link the purchasing of petrol to providing proof that someone is insured by some form of electronic swipe card, linked to the central DVLA computer system.  All garages would be required to have ANPR cameras that views the vehicles registration and links the information held with the swipe cards details, perhaps along with fingerprint recognition.  Only those shown as being the insured driver with that vehicle and/or another vehicle registered with the DVLA, with also being in possession of a full licence, could purchase the petrol.  Any attempted breaches would be automatically flagged up to the police. If convicted, those for the first offence would be banned for three years. Second time five years. Third time, final strike full lifetime ban.

Big brother control?  Absolutely, and why not if it saves lives and protects the law abiding citizens.  If you drive a car it is a big responsibility, and everyone should enter into "the social contract" of providing personal details to prove they can legally drive a motor vehicle.  Time to act I believe!

Crikey!  It would be easier to buy heroin than petrol!

And how would I get a gallon for my lawnmower?

Nothing is perfect, and obviously I have not got all the answers .  It would be a major step forward though in ridding us all of the tax disc, clamping down on illegal drivers, plus making the roads safer.

Perhaps for small amounts of fuel, i.e. 1 gallon, for lawnmowers and similar, there would be no restriction.  This would also cover genuine drivers who break down and need a gallon to get started again without the car being on the forecourt.

[Terbs]

vote for Lizzie . at least if RFL was scrapped in favour Pay as you drive everyone would pay including all the skankers who don't pay at the moment so we probably would not need such a large hyke in prices at the pump with everybody paying:y
While on the subject of skankers perhaps when your in power Lizzie can you introduce a life time ban for people who don't insure their cars 

I would love to do that Macduff.

There are all too many, especially the young, but not only the young, who are trying hard to avoid the very high premiums, that are putting us all at risk as they are often the ones who do not keep their cars legal in many respects, including being uninsured.  As with road tax and replacing that with PayGo, I would like to link the purchasing of petrol to providing proof that someone is insured by some form of electronic swipe card, linked to the central DVLA computer system.  All garages would be required to have ANPR cameras that views the vehicles registration and links the information held with the swipe cards details, perhaps along with fingerprint recognition.  Only those shown as being the insured driver with that vehicle and/or another vehicle registered with the DVLA, with also being in possession of a full licence, could purchase the petrol.  Any attempted breaches would be automatically flagged up to the police. If convicted, those for the first offence would be banned for three years. Second time five years. Third time, final strike full lifetime ban.

Big brother control?  Absolutely, and why not if it saves lives and protects the law abiding citizens.  If you drive a car it is a big responsibility, and everyone should enter into "the social contract" of providing personal details to prove they can legally drive a motor vehicle.  Time to act I believe!

Crikey!  It would be easier to buy heroin than petrol!

And how would I get a gallon for my lawnmower?

Flog it and buy a goat

[Macduff]

I like all your ideas Lizzie. If you are legal you won't have a problem, that way the vast majority of people would be legal, there will unfortunately always be people who will find a way around any kind of rules and regulations. The only serious issue I can see is the increase in fuel thefts from cars.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I like all your ideas Lizzie. If you are legal you won't have a problem, that way the vast majority of people would be legal, there will unfortunately always be people who will find a way around any kind of rules and regulations. The only serious issue I can see is the increase in fuel thefts from cars.

Thanks!

Yes, that is one of those issues I have not got an answer to.  At least modern cars have locking fuel filler caps integrated with the vehicles alarm system.  That should keep thefts to a minimum.  Nothing is perfect though when dealing with the traits of human nature

[symes]

I like all your ideas Lizzie. If you are legal you won't have a problem, that way the vast majority of people would be legal, there will unfortunately always be people who will find a way around any kind of rules and regulations. The only serious issue I can see is the increase in fuel thefts from cars.

Thanks!

Yes, that is one of those issues I have not got an answer to.  At least modern cars have locking fuel filler caps integrated with the vehicles alarm system.  That should keep thefts to a minimum.  Nothing is perfect though when dealing with the traits of human nature

Thieves dont mess-they drill hole in tank to take fuel-loads done round this way-lucky me -my rover tank inside own safety cell mig wasnt :'(Took 2 weeks to locate new tank

[Rods2]

I like all your ideas Lizzie. If you are legal you won't have a problem, that way the vast majority of people would be legal, there will unfortunately always be people who will find a way around any kind of rules and regulations. The only serious issue I can see is the increase in fuel thefts from cars.

That is fine until you have and RBS style technical problem and nobody can get fuel for a week due to computer problems.

Also what happens when you are on a long journey and you realise when you go to fill up 300 miles from home, that you have left the swipe card there?

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I like all your ideas Lizzie. If you are legal you won't have a problem, that way the vast majority of people would be legal, there will unfortunately always be people who will find a way around any kind of rules and regulations. The only serious issue I can see is the increase in fuel thefts from cars.

That is fine until you have and RBS style technical problem and nobody can get fuel for a week due to computer problems.

Also what happens when you are on a long journey and you realise when you go to fill up 300 miles from home, that you have left the swipe card there?

You should always carry your driving license and insurance details, along with the means to buy the fuel, with you in your purse/wallet/handbag. The swipe card should be kept with those.  If carrying all those documents with you was made legally obligatory, as it is in other countries, then only illegal drivers would be caught out.  The police would also have an easier time when stopping an illegal motorist, and there would be no need for the ridiculous rule of providing your documents to a local police station within 7 days; criminals just disappear into the night!  This way they can be arrested for a specific offence immediately.

[jimac]

I like all your ideas Lizzie. If you are legal you won't have a problem, that way the vast majority of people would be legal, there will unfortunately always be people who will find a way around any kind of rules and regulations. The only serious issue I can see is the increase in fuel thefts from cars.

That is fine until you have and RBS style technical problem and nobody can get fuel for a week due to computer problems.

Also what happens when you are on a long journey and you realise when you go to fill up 300 miles from home, that you have left the swipe card there?

You should always carry your driving license and insurance details, along with the means to buy the fuel, with you in your purse/wallet/handbag. The swipe card should be kept with those.  If carrying all those documents with you was made legally obligatory, as it is in other countries, then only illegal drivers would be caught out.  The police would also have an easier time when stopping an illegal motorist, and there would be no need for the ridiculous rule of providing your documents to a local police station within 7 days; criminals just disappear into the night!  This way they can be arrested for a specific offence immediately.

<sarcasm>
Why don't we issue everyone with identity cards and make it legally obligatory for eveyone to carry it at all times? That would make things easier for the police.  They could just stop people and ask to see their identity ("Papers, please") and if they don't have it on them arrest them on the spot.  That would get a few criminals off the street.

Or better still, tattoo everyone with an ID number, maybe on their forearm.

BTW, these ideas aren't original.
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