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[Martin_1962]

I think Jerry is like most people here

I have seen pictures of the person and the hair did it

[BigAl]

I really don't see how a private remark such as Carol Thatcher made could result in her being banned from the BBC.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/4518995/Viewers-complain-to-BBC-about-ban-on-Carol-Thatcher.html

As it happens, when I used to work in the City, there was a trader who wore big round glasses and had a mass of frizzy hair. He was known to  everyone as Golly. He took no offence at all. He really did look like the Robertson's Golliwog. He was white, though (but should that make a difference?).

Why is the BBC so up its own a*rse that it should react so strongly over a minor, unbroadcast, comment?  

absolutely it makes a difference

its a horrible term - i remember black kids getting bullied at school and having the term directed at them in a derogatory manner - no matter what it used to mean - its a term thats been tarnished and used as an insult - as far as i'm concerned.

 i thought most right thinking people had stopped using the word sometime back in the seventies.

it has highlighted what a stupid bint Thatcher is - which is a small compensation - i'd say she should know better, but then you look at who brought her up and its no surprise.

That to me is highly offensive

Name any time Mrs Thatcher was observed being racist or it was inferred  that she was - i await the reams of quotes

[Big Fra]

I think the way things are going is that almost any term used meant with malice or humor can be taken as offensive or disrespectful.

Almost all humor can be derived from misfortune. Observational comedy will soon be limited/restricted.

Any joke, sketch, skit if you will,  to be broadcast in the future, will have to go through a strict pre-approval. Censorship if you will.
I understand and appreciate this process is (should) done at present, but to a limited degree. It will get to a point where the very humor itself will be removed from the material. Pretty much destroying comedy.

I can certainly see traces of 1983 appearing.

  That`d be Orwell`s first draft then?

Yes Debs, thats the lesser known first edition.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Ahem

I really should check what I type before I post it eh? Or are you gonna do that for me now debs?

Anyway, you all know what I was meaning.

[LaserLance]

Just seen the trailer for Question time on the beeb and they said the magic word "golliwog incident" and guess who one the tha panilists is "The most dangerous women in britain" aka shami chakrabati of liberty ,I can just imagine the hysterical outbursts are going to be like , they might as well hang draw and quarter, carol thatcher if the bbc had its way

[Cliffo B]

Hmmmmmmm,Well said Entwood  

[Martin_1962]

Just seen the trailer for Question time on the beeb and they said the magic word "golliwog incident" and guess who one the tha panilists is "The most dangerous women in britain" aka shami chakrabati of liberty ,I can just imagine the hysterical outbursts are going to be like , they might as well hang draw and quarter, carol thatcher if the bbc had its way

She thought the BBC were wrong over this and defended CT, (basically CT is eccentric but not ill meaning).

Very interesting comments - ranging from sack her to chat to her and explain.

[dispondent 1]

its got f-ck all to do with racism, its about world order! ( hold on )
all this 'dangle berries' written by the media is to make every one scared to say anything, i hear it every day cant smack yer kids , dont say anything offensive, cos ya will get knicked, and now we are scared to say anything! its f-cking brain washing,

black white gay straight  if your a c-nt your a c-nt an i will let ya know!
if your ok then your ok,

english people should be f-cking ashamed ov themselfs for letting all this sh-t go on,

f-ck pc 'dangle berries'  its a f-cking joke that we have let this get this far!

[albitz]

John Barnes (black,ex footballer)has just been asked his opinion on this on GMTV. He said that his understanding was that it was not intended to be offensive or racist and that golliwog dolls were quite cute so didnt see what the problem was.

[Richie London]

its got f-ck all to do with racism, its about world order! ( hold on )
all this 'dangle berries' written by the media is to make every one scared to say anything, i hear it every day cant smack yer kids , dont say anything offensive, cos ya will get knicked, and now we are scared to say anything! its f-cking brain washing,

black white gay straight  if your a c-nt your a c-nt an i will let ya know!
if your ok then your ok,

english people should be f-cking ashamed ov themselfs for letting all this sh-t go on,

f-ck pc 'dangle berries'  its a f-cking joke that we have let this get this far!

got it in one. and brown is loving it.any excuse to put the english down it will be brought up for maximum publicity, any other race, cover it up. the british way of life is nearly over. brown and the eu have destroyed it. wonder how these muppets would have stood up to maggie. no chance. shes more of a man than the whole of the house of commons.  

[LaserLance]

its got f-ck all to do with racism, its about world order! ( hold on )
all this 'dangle berries' written by the media is to make every one scared to say anything, i hear it every day cant smack yer kids , dont say anything offensive, cos ya will get knicked, and now we are scared to say anything! its f-cking brain washing,

black white gay straight  if your a c-nt your a c-nt an i will let ya know!
if your ok then your ok,

english people should be f-cking ashamed ov themselfs for letting all this sh-t go on,

f-ck pc 'dangle berries'  its a f-cking joke that we have let this get this far!

got it in one. and brown is loving it.any excuse to put the english down it will be brought up for maximum publicity, any other race, cover it up. the british way of life is nearly over. brown and the eu have destroyed it. wonder how these muppets would have stood up to maggie. no chance. shes more of a man than the whole of the house of commons.  

Heres the next target of the pc brigade .....http://latestnews.virginmedia.com/news/uk/2009/02/06/clarkson_labels_pm_one_eyed_idiot and heres the best line from some unknown ar*e kissing polition"Most people here are proud that the Prime Minister is a Scot and believe him to be the right person to get the UK through this global economic crisis."

[albitz]

The fact that he is one eyed or Scottish shouldnt be relevant,the fact that he,is a hateful lying incompetent stalinist control freak who is a rather useless joke, is very relevant.
I,m not that keen on him tbh.

[jerry]

The John Barnes thing made me think of the black footballing heroes of my past and the Big Ron "racist" inncident. I'm a West Brom fan and still clearly remmember the abuse that our "three degrees" (another term meant to be affectionate but stemming from racism in todays pc world?) , Brendon Batson, the late great Laurie Cunningham and, of course, Cyrille Regis had to endure. If you want to see it yourself again (along with some superb football that shows us that, good as The winker and co are ,they aint that much better than previous teams) watch the albions classic 5-3 win over man utd on you-tube. In those days there was a lot of nasty racism that was what might be called "active" racism. But there was also a lot of more "passive" racism that was mostly down to ignorance and culture of the time. Big Ron is an example of this, but mustnt be forgotten that it was really down to him that black players were given the opportunity to shine in English football. Racism is more complicated than a lot of people think and at heart it is no different than what Reich wrote about as the "narcissm of small differences". This is about how the majority of people want to belong to a group (initially for safety). The way to identify who is in the group and who is not is not so much by id similarities, but rather picking on the differences. the more obvious ones are sex, colour or race, but you then get the same happening within the group, which might be accent (eg geordie/ scouse/ brummie etc) and then maybe size (fat/skinny) or hair colour(red/ blonde etc)or maybe gang or what football team you support, whatever, anything that is different. As for me, I dont care what sex, colour or nationality you are, we cant change that. But things like attitude, behaviour, polotics and beliefs. These are things I can challenge.
                                                        jerry

[Debs.]

I think the way things are going is that almost any term used meant with malice or humor can be taken as offensive or disrespectful.

Almost all humor can be derived from misfortune. Observational comedy will soon be limited/restricted.

Any joke, sketch, skit if you will,  to be broadcast in the future, will have to go through a strict pre-approval. Censorship if you will.
I understand and appreciate this process is (should) done at present, but to a limited degree. It will get to a point where the very humor itself will be removed from the material. Pretty much destroying comedy.

I can certainly see traces of 1983 appearing.

  That`d be Orwell`s first draft then?

Yes Debs, thats the lesser known first edition.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Ahem

I really should check what I type before I post it eh? Or are you gonna do that for me now debs?

Anyway, you all know what I was meaning.

No-offense meant Big_Fra

[Banjax]

I really don't see how a private remark such as Carol Thatcher made could result in her being banned from the BBC.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/4518995/Viewers-complain-to-BBC-about-ban-on-Carol-Thatcher.html

As it happens, when I used to work in the City, there was a trader who wore big round glasses and had a mass of frizzy hair. He was known to  everyone as Golly. He took no offence at all. He really did look like the Robertson's Golliwog. He was white, though (but should that make a difference?).

Why is the BBC so up its own a*rse that it should react so strongly over a minor, unbroadcast, comment?  

absolutely it makes a difference

its a horrible term - i remember black kids getting bullied at school and having the term directed at them in a derogatory manner - no matter what it used to mean - its a term thats been tarnished and used as an insult - as far as i'm concerned.

 i thought most right thinking people had stopped using the word sometime back in the seventies.

it has highlighted what a stupid bint Thatcher is - which is a small compensation - i'd say she should know better, but then you look at who brought her up and its no surprise.

That to me is highly offensive

Name any time Mrs Thatcher was observed being racist or it was inferred  that she was - i await the reams of quotes

Nelson Mandela is a terrorist

how's that for starters?

[Banjax]

having read a lot of comments it appears a lot of people are afraid of "the pc brigade" and they're scared of saying anything that might be taken to be offensive - can i just say - maybe if you have been brought up to believe certain things you have difficulty finding the truth - my dad hated racism and brought us up to oppose injustice and fight for whats right - to me, its something that i don't even think about - i would hate to be in a position where i had to second guess myself - but then i am not concerned about being racist - you're either racist or racism doesn't occur to you

carol thatcher used a word that wouldn't even cross my mind to use - to me, she's either been poorly educated or brought up to believe that its OK to dismiss people in deregotary terms