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[sassanach]

being a terrorist depends entirely on wether your the one being blown up or doing the blowing up, what is that got to do with rascism?

[Banjax]

thatch referred to mandela as a terrorist, on the grounds that he disagreed politically with a white-supremacist apartheid regime - that doesn't strike you as being racist when most of the world saw mandela as a freedom fighter fighting for the right to be treated equally?

by agreeing with that regime in south africa she demonstrated racism - i don't know how else you would interpret that  

[jerry]

Ah, but we all know that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!!Oh, and when does murder become terrorism and terrorism war? Is war legalized murder, but terrorism not? Help with semantics please, my brain hurts :-/
                                                           jerry

[Banjax]

i like the cut of your jib sir  

[Banjax]

jeremy clarkson called gordon brown "a one-eyed, scottish twit"
apparently - and folk are calling for his head -  

one-eyed - true
scottish - true
twit - personal opinion

now, if brown was black, and he'd called him a one-eyed, scottish golliwog then he would be - rightly - sacked

thats the difference, when you don't have the intelligence to differentiate between a personal opinion which may or may not be shared by others, and a racist insult

clarkson is intelligent
thatcher is not - and proved it  

[Nickbat]

jeremy clarkson called gordon brown "a one-eyed, scottish twit"
apparently - and folk are calling for his head -  

one-eyed - true
scottish - true
twit - personal opinion

now, if brown was black, and he'd called him a one-eyed, scottish golliwog then he would be - rightly - sacked

thats the difference, when you don't have the intelligence to differentiate between a personal opinion which may or may not be shared by others, and a racist insult

clarkson is intelligent
thatcher is not - and proved it  

Twisted logic, I'm afraid.

Our Great Leader has one eye and Clarkson pointed that out in the remark. Having one eye means you are physically deficient. It is also obvious in your facial appearance. Clarkson's comment was derogatory, indeed he highlighting a handicap. I am not offended by it, and I don't suppose GB is either. You need a thick skin in politics.

If someone has black skin, it is not a deficiency like having one eye.

Add an afro hairdo and large round spectacles and that person will look like a Golliwog. You wouldn't call Barack Obama a golliwog, because he doesn't look like one. Therefore it is not a racist term, per se.

Neither Thatcher nor Clarkson are unintelligent.

[Allenm]

jeremy clarkson called gordon brown "a one-eyed, scottish twit"
apparently - and folk are calling for his head -  

one-eyed - true
scottish - true
twit - personal opinion

now, if brown was black, and he'd called him a one-eyed, scottish golliwog then he would be - rightly - sacked

thats the difference, when you don't have the intelligence to differentiate between a personal opinion which may or may not be shared by others, and a racist insult

clarkson is intelligent
thatcher is not - and proved it  

Twisted logic, I'm afraid.

Our Great Leader has one eye and Clarkson pointed that out in the remark. Having one eye means you are physically deficient. It is also obvious in your facial appearance. Clarkson's comment was derogatory, indeed he highlighting a handicap. I am not offended by it, and I don't suppose GB is either. You need a thick skin in politics.

If someone has black skin, it is not a deficiency like having one eye.

Add an afro hairdo and large round spectacles and that person will look like a Golliwog. You wouldn't call Barack Obama a golliwog, because he doesn't look like one. Therefore it is not a racist term, per se.

Neither Thatcher nor Clarkson are unintelligent.

 

Bang on! Well put Nickbat!

The use of the term was to draw attention to the similarity, if she had said a white player looked like Action Man, would that be racist ? NO!

When I posted my first reply, I looked on the net to find out who she was referring to, I found it on a Black Rights website, the comments in response to the article (all from Black people with enough of an interest to participate on a Black Rights Movement forum) were all bemused and mainly amused by the reaction.  They couldn't see what all the fuss was about.  

So why is anyone else?

[Entwood]

AFAIK not a single person on this forum actually KNOWS what Carol Thatcher ACTUALLY said .... every single person is either repeating a press report or assuming something they have made up themselves to fit what they consider the facts...

Why let the truth get in the way of a good story  

For all we know she could have said ....

"With that hairstyle he reminds me of a golliwog I had as a kid" .. a totally innocuous and innocent remark, blown up out of all proportion

OR

"I hate foriegn golliwogs" . in which case it is a racist remark ...

we just DON'T KNOW as it was, supposedly, a private remark ...

methinks a few folks should really think about what they are saying before mounting their elevated  Equus caballus

[dispondent 1]

its got f-ck all to do with racism, its about world order! ( hold on )
all this 'dangle berries' written by the media is to make every one scared to say anything, i hear it every day cant smack yer kids , dont say anything offensive, cos ya will get knicked, and now we are scared to say anything! its f-cking brain washing,

black white gay straight  if your a c-nt your a c-nt an i will let ya know!
if your ok then your ok,

english people should be f-cking ashamed ov themselfs for letting all this sh-t go on,

f-ck pc 'dangle berries'  its a f-cking joke that we have let this get this far!

got it in one. and brown is loving it.any excuse to put the english down it will be brought up for maximum publicity, any other race, cover it up. the british way of life is nearly over. brown and the eu have destroyed it. wonder how these muppets would have stood up to maggie. no chance. shes more of a man than the whole of the house of commons.  

Heres the next target of the pc brigade .....http://latestnews.virginmedia.com/news/uk/2009/02/06/clarkson_labels_pm_one_eyed_idiot and heres the best line from some unknown ar*e kissing polition"Most people here are proud that the Prime Minister is a Scot and believe him to be the right person to get the UK through this global economic crisis."

the comments by the media were "ckarkson is under fire"? by who?
who the f-ck gives a f-ck ! not me , he is a one eyed scotts c-nt and no f-cker wants him , so p-ss off brown ya wanger!

i watched the other post about the bbc not wanting to show ,the muslin riots , that lot can f-ck off as well! whats the matter with us english ? we are p-ssed on, taken the p-ss out ov and just stand back !
REALLY WE SHOULD BE ASHAMED HONESTLY !
 a glint of light was the british jobs for british workers thing !
its about f-cking time we stood up for ourselfs !

[Entwood]

Mr dispondent 1 ...

Small request from me ....  is it really neccessary to litter every post with undisguised profanity ??  It does nothing for your argument at all .. and is .... frankly ... getting tedious ..

Sorry ...

[HolyCount]

having read a lot of comments it appears a lot of people are afraid of "the pc brigade" and they're scared of saying anything that might be taken to be offensive - can i just say - maybe if you have been brought up to believe certain things you have difficulty finding the truth - my dad hated racism and brought us up to oppose injustice and fight for whats right - to me, its something that i don't even think about - i would hate to be in a position where i had to second guess myself - but then i am not concerned about being racist - you're either racist or racism doesn't occur to you

carol thatcher used a word that wouldn't even cross my mind to use - to me, she's either been poorly educated or brought up to believe that its OK to dismiss people in deregotary terms

Don't know your age or if they had Robertson's Gollys in Perth ... but ....

As a child I had a golly ( or two) ... they were simply toys (similar to the Corsa toys ...C'mon!!).  Rasicm never entered my head ...it was a toy.  It is perfectly natural to liken the appearance of someone to something you know or knew. It has nothing to do with education or being derogatory.  For goodness sake ... I am follically challenged and have on occasion been likened to a billiard ball -- the resemblance IS there !!! I could see offence if she had called him a Golliwog --- but iirc she said he looked like one.  Mountain ... molehill

[jerry]

Very true Mr Entwood!!!Cant sell news by digging up too many facts. Racism IS a serious topic, but all too often things are blown out of proportion/ taken out of context and in this PC world of ours it happens even more often than it should. That said, as this thread demonstrates, I dont think its such a bad thing if it leads to a more general discussion about the more serious nature of things and gets people thinking and talking. Judging by majority of posts on here I think we all generally feel the same about both racism and the often foolishness of Political Correctness.
                                                           jerry

[dispondent 1]

Mr dispondent 1 ...

Small request from me ....  is it really neccessary to litter every post with undisguised profanity ??  It does nothing for your argument at all .. and is .... frankly ... getting tedious ..

Sorry ...

no need to be sorry entwood you aint done nothing to rub me up the wrong way, my profanity is disguised with the little - so you get the drift without me spelling it out , and my wording reflects my annoyance ! if you find my post tediouse ? dont read them !
 i dont have an argument , i have an oppinion, and i do voice it .

[dispondent 1]

Mr dispondent 1 ...

Small request from me ....  is it really neccessary to litter every post with undisguised profanity ??  It does nothing for your argument at all .. and is .... frankly ... getting tedious ..

Sorry ...

no need to be sorry entwood you aint done nothing to rub me up the wrong way, my profanity is disguised with the little - so you get the drift without me spelling it out , and my wording reflects my annoyance ! if you find my post tediouse ? dont read them !
 i dont have an argument , i have an oppinion, and i do voice it .

mind you i have just relooked at it and may be i was a bit ott  

[jerry]

For Mr Dispondant, had quite a good thread on the TEOC site about the "British" workers strike. My own views are that ,yes, the state should look after its own more and be very careful that tenders arent given out to "cheap foreign labour". On the other hand I work for a company that employs a lot of east european workers and tbh they are no different than anyone else (ie good ones and bad ones). If they want to come over here and earn money for themselves and their family why not, providing those jobs are offered to uk nationals at the same and fair wage. Problem is, these foreign workers got the jobs in this case because not enough "English workers" wanted them at the time so they werent taking them away from english workers. In current climate however, with more people being made redundant etc its just that there are now more english workers who would take such jobs. Does this mean we should force the foreign workers out of their jobs and replace them with english workers? I mean economic downturn is down to govt and banks, not them.
                                                                              jerry