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[dispondent 1]

For Mr Dispondant, had quite a good thread on the TEOC site about the "British" workers strike. My own views are that ,yes, the state should look after its own more and be very careful that tenders arent given out to "cheap foreign labour". On the other hand I work for a company that employs a lot of east european workers and tbh they are no different than anyone else (ie good ones and bad ones). If they want to come over here and earn money for themselves and their family why not, providing those jobs are offered to uk nationals at the same and fair wage. Problem is, these foreign workers got the jobs in this case because not enough "English workers" wanted them at the time so they werent taking them away from english workers. In current climate however, with more people being made redundant etc its just that there are now more english workers who would take such jobs. Does this mean we should force the foreign workers out of their jobs and replace them with english workers? I mean economic downturn is down to govt and banks, not them.
                                                                              jerry

no jerry it dont mean we should sack every foreign worker, and my rant was not particually about any of that , my point was english people were allowing them selfs to be shafted by the gov, the pc rubbish, and just about every minority and its about time we stood up for ourselves , and because we dont jesus that REALLY RACKS ME OFF !

[Richie London]

i did work in the millenium mayfair hotel for nearly 2 yrs, 90% must of been east europeans, hotels were owned by singapore company. cleaners get 2.50 a room to clean, they cant do more than 10 a day. there boss is only worth about 600m. exploitation and the govt turns a blind eye, what brit is going to work his balls off for a 12 hr shift for 25 quid. but there all getting nearly tax credits that they havent ever paid. if the govt stopped this going on brits would take these jobs and  we wouldnt need foreigners here. 10 yrs ago i could earn 40k easy, now im lucky to make 10

[dispondent 1]

i did work in the millenium mayfair hotel for nearly 2 yrs, 90% must of been east europeans, hotels were owned by singapore company. cleaners get 2.50 a room to clean, they cant do more than 10 a day. there boss is only worth about 600m. exploitation and the govt turns a blind eye, what brit is going to work his balls off for a 12 hr shift for 25 quid. but there all getting nearly tax credits that they havent ever paid. if the govt stopped this going on brits would take these jobs and  we wouldnt need foreigners here. 10 yrs ago i could earn 40k easy, now im lucky to make 10

good point, the pound in the uk aint worth much to any one, but if your sending the money back to your native country, its worth a whole lot more! 5 polish workers living in one room can take 5 jobs for 50 bob an hour cos the money is sent away from the uk and not put back in to the uk! your right who can afford to work for that ?
FOREIGN WORKERS  not britts ,
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/overseas-property/property-24404474.html?locationIdentifier=WORLD_REGION%5E135&sortByPriceDescending=false&minBedrooms=3&displayPropertyType=houses&pageNumber=1&backToListURL=%2Foverseas-property%2Ffind%2FPoland.html%3FlocationIdentifier%3DWORLD_REGION%255E135%26sortByPriceDescending%3Dfalse%26minBedrooms%3D3%26displayPropertyType%3Dhouses

 they can take a lower wage because it costs a third of the money in there countries to get them selfs sorted, and our gov tells us not to get the hump!

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Its only racist if the intent was to be descending.

I do think some people use any excuse to say something is racist/sexist/ageist etc.

I'm well known on here for calling people gay.  I like to think that everyone on here knows its in no may derogatory to anyone - I have plenty of gay friends (oddly, one of them was what got me into Omegas). I'm far from homophobic.

I sit next to an Asian guy at work - he tends to look after OOF server when I'm not around - and call him every name under the sun.  Whatever I call him, it ain't racist.


Some people complain purely for their own gain or ego - I'll class that ugly bitch whos always on the BBC from Liberty in that.  Or is calling a specific Asian woman ugly racist?

[/highlight]

I think that you refer to Shami Chakrabarti........from liberty TB.....It could just be me......but I find her sexy........and would be more than happy to spend an hour or so with her in a darkened room.

[jerry]

Dispondent/richie,
Cant say I dont have any sympathy for any of what you say. A byproduct of all this PC certainly seems to be that the uk is seen to be (and too often is) a soft touch for a lot of migrant workers. On the otherhand I live on a street where only 4 of us work and we all work long hours and bloodyhard, yet the others (lazy f*cks) live off benefits yet still have newer cars/ smarter phones/ better tvs etc etc. That makes my blood boil just as much. Yes, this govt should look after its own(and in the process help stop virtual slave labour of migrant workers), it should be far tougher on immigration (take a leaf out of France or Australias books) but it should also be far harder on those who choose to live off the state and more understanding of those who have lost their jobs and want to work.0k rant over,
                                                           jerry

[Dusty]

I think the way things are going is that almost any term used meant with malice or humor can be taken as offensive or disrespectful.

Almost all humor can be derived from misfortune. Observational comedy will soon be limited/restricted.

Any joke, sketch, skit if you will,  to be broadcast in the future, will have to go through a strict pre-approval. Censorship if you will.
I understand and appreciate this process is (should) done at present, but to a limited degree. It will get to a point where the very humor itself will be removed from the material. Pretty much destroying comedy.

I can certainly see traces of 1983 appearing.

  That`d be Orwell`s first draft then?

Animal Farm was better,in my view.

i like a good porn film, but i find that sort of film disgusting. but whatever floats yer boat i always say  

Philistine

[dispondent 1]

Dispondent/richie,
Cant say I dont have any sympathy for any of what you say. A byproduct of all this PC certainly seems to be that the uk is seen to be (and too often is) a soft touch for a lot of migrant workers. On the otherhand I live on a street where only 4 of us work and we all work long hours and bloodyhard, yet the others (lazy f*cks) live off benefits yet still have newer cars/ smarter phones/ better tvs etc etc. That makes my blood boil just as much. Yes, this govt should look after its own(and in the process help stop virtual slave labour of migrant workers), it should be far tougher on immigration (take a leaf out of France or Australias books) but it should also be far harder on those who choose to live off the state and more understanding of those who have lost their jobs and want to work.0k rant over,
                                                           jerry

its not just one thing jerry that gives me the hump its all of it, i agree with your post , my real problem is english people are laying down and letting people/the powers to be , walk on them! there are lots of issues that need to be addressed but none will if we let ourselves be downtrodden.

[HolyCount]

Dispondent/richie,
Cant say I dont have any sympathy for any of what you say. A byproduct of all this PC certainly seems to be that the uk is seen to be (and too often is) a soft touch for a lot of migrant workers. On the otherhand I live on a street where only 4 of us work and we all work long hours and bloodyhard, yet the others (lazy f*cks) live off benefits yet still have newer cars/ smarter phones/ better tvs etc etc. That makes my blood boil just as much. Yes, this govt should look after its own(and in the process help stop virtual slave labour of migrant workers), it should be far tougher on immigration (take a leaf out of France or Australias books) but it should also be far harder on those who choose to live off the state and more understanding of those who have lost their jobs and want to work.0k rant over,
                                                           jerry

Spot on --- sorry to keep off topic ... but this is a very sore point with me. When I was made redundant a while back, rather than sign on and become "professionally unemployed" I took a job that worked out at 50pence per hour more than I would have got in benefits, so, effectively, I was working for 50 p per hour!
There is no real incentive to work in this country (which might explain why there were so many vacancies open to east europeans in the first instance).
A couple of years ago a local employer here advertised a load of jobs -- and got hardly any response (good rate of pay too). They re-advertised in Polish (at the same rate of pay) and practically filled all the vacancies right away.
Us Brits can't moan about others taking jobs we are too idle to apply for in the first place!


and to dispondent:

"its not just one thing jerry that gives me the hump its all of it, i agree with your post , my real problem is english people are laying down and letting people/the powers to be , walk on them! there are lots of issues that need to be addressed but none will if we let ourselves be downtrodden. "

You have a fair point there too -- I fear it's the British way !!!!  Look at the French (whether you like them or not is immaterial) -- if they have a gripe they DO something about it -- no one messes them around!

[dispondent 1]

Dispondent/richie,
Cant say I dont have any sympathy for any of what you say. A byproduct of all this PC certainly seems to be that the uk is seen to be (and too often is) a soft touch for a lot of migrant workers. On the otherhand I live on a street where only 4 of us work and we all work long hours and bloodyhard, yet the others (lazy f*cks) live off benefits yet still have newer cars/ smarter phones/ better tvs etc etc. That makes my blood boil just as much. Yes, this govt should look after its own(and in the process help stop virtual slave labour of migrant workers), it should be far tougher on immigration (take a leaf out of France or Australias books) but it should also be far harder on those who choose to live off the state and more understanding of those who have lost their jobs and want to work.0k rant over,
                                                           jerry

Spot on --- sorry to keep off topic ... but this is a very sore point with me. When I was made redundant a while back, rather than sign on and become "professionally unemployed" I took a job that worked out at 50pence per hour more than I would have got in benefits, so, effectively, I was working for 50 p per hour!
There is no real incentive to work in this country (which might explain why there were so many vacancies open to east europeans in the first instance).
A couple of years ago a local employer here advertised a load of jobs -- and got hardly any response (good rate of pay too). They re-advertised in Polish (at the same rate of pay) and practically filled all the vacancies right away.
Us Brits can't moan about others taking jobs we are too idle to apply for in the first place!


and to dispondent:

"its not just one thing jerry that gives me the hump its all of it, i agree with your post , my real problem is english people are laying down and letting people/the powers to be , walk on them! there are lots of issues that need to be addressed but none will if we let ourselves be downtrodden. "

You have a fair point there too -- I fear it's the British way !!!!  quote]
Look at the French (whether you like them or not is immaterial) -- if they have a gripe they DO something about it -- no one messes them around![/
thats why i get the hump , cos we dont.

[Richie London]

i average 80- 100 hrs a week when im working and i graft. its how i was brought up. i have a flat, car 2 kids an a x wife to support and i do long hrs to make more money to live a bit comfortable, not now, 2 blokes for the price of 1 is what its all about now. i dont even get a look in half the time. i have a m8, never works but always in the pub. i wouldnt ever buy him a pint. people like that should be made to do national service if they wont work. send them to iraq or afghanistan. they will soon change there minds. i cant wait to go back to work, only a month away now i hope, maybe sooner if i get my way  

[jerry]

Good luck on the job front Ritchie!!!Been made redundant in the past myself, so know how it feels. One thing I will say tho, is try not to work so many hours as ultimately does neither you or yours any favours-as a workaholic myself I speak from experience!!
                                        best of luck mate,
                                                  jerry

[Martin_1962]

JC has apologised for his rant - unfortunately he included idiot in the apology

[dispondent 1]

Good luck on the job front Ritchie!!!Been made redundant in the past myself, so know how it feels. One thing I will say tho, is try not to work so many hours as ultimately does neither you or yours any favours-as a workaholic myself I speak from experience!!
                                        best of luck mate,
                                                  jerry

ditto

[Richie London]

Good luck on the job front Ritchie!!!Been made redundant in the past myself, so know how it feels. One thing I will say tho, is try not to work so many hours as ultimately does neither you or yours any favours-as a workaholic myself I speak from experience!!
                                        best of luck mate,
                                                  jerry

ditto

yep, been in hosp a few times with stress related illnesses due to over working, half the reason i broke up with my x, was on the go 18- 20 hrs a day. never again. not worth it. 12 a day is my limit now

[Allenm]

Its only racist if the intent was to be descending.

I do think some people use any excuse to say something is racist/sexist/ageist etc.

I'm well known on here for calling people gay.  I like to think that everyone on here knows its in no may derogatory to anyone - I have plenty of gay friends (oddly, one of them was what got me into Omegas). I'm far from homophobic.

I sit next to an Asian guy at work - he tends to look after OOF server when I'm not around - and call him every name under the sun.  Whatever I call him, it ain't racist.


Some people complain purely for their own gain or ego - I'll class that ugly bitch whos always on the BBC from Liberty in that.  Or is calling a specific Asian woman ugly racist?

[/highlight]

I think that you refer to Shami Chakrabarti........from liberty TB.....It could just be me......but I find her sexy........and would be more than happy to spend an hour or so with her in a darkened room.

Is that a racist comment??   8-)